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NV245 Transfer case fluid?

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#1 ·
Ok, so I'm way late on the 30k service at about 40k miles. I call up the parts dept of my local dealership that I bought my Jeep from and ask if they have the NV245 fluid in stock.... Nope.

I ask can I order it- SURE!

Here's the kicker, they don't stock it, they never stock it. I have to buy a case of 12 @$12/qt. [removed]? I asked the guy on the line what they use to do the 30K recommended service for the WK/XK's and he says THEY DON'T NORMALLY DON'T SERVICE THEM!!! yet another [removed], the salesman was trying like heck to get me to buy the service contract. and no, they don't have it in bulk by the barrel either, I asked.

Long story short, the parts counter guy's an idiot, I know they service these things, they've been out since '05. So what the heck do you think they're putting in the transfer cases of WK/XK's? I'd call and talk to the service department, but they're not a whole lot better from my past experiences.

I've searched high and low, but never found a confirmed answer. Is there an aftermarket cross-reference to the Mopar fluid? I'm so tired of dealing with dealerships, had to drive 65 miles just to get my fender flare clips!
 
#2 ·
It sounds like you need to find a new dealer.

As far as I know there isnt a replacement for the Mopar Transfer Case Fluid.
 
#4 ·
Walmart sells Mopar Transfer case fluid??????
 
#5 ·
The NP245 fluid is UNIQUE. There is NO other fluid to replace it with. The bottles say right on it that it's for the NP245 transfer case. (It's synthetic) It comes in black plastic quart bottles.

I second the motion on finding another dealer... they sound like complete, blithering idiots.

Try calling Mid Valley Chrysler. 800-326-2271. That's where I bought my XK. I do my own maintenance too, and just buy everything there. They'll know what you're asking for, and they might be able to just ship it.

Worse comes to worse, I can come up with a few bottles and UPS the stuff to you myself. (Although the dealer's 40 miles from me)

On edit... you might try calling a transmission repair shop. Check on the shop with the BBB first so you can get one that's not a rip-off joint.
 
#6 ·
The NP245 fluid is UNIQUE. There is NO other fluid to replace it with. The bottles say right on it that it's for the NP245 transfer case. (It's synthetic) It comes in black plastic quart bottles.
We have the NV245 Transfer Case.......

.....and the 3.7 liter guys have the NV140.
 
#7 ·
Yup, going to try another dealer. The only one with a parts/service dept worth picking up the phone is the one I had to drive 65 miles to to pick up my fender clips. I might get lucky and the morons at the other dealership near my shop might have it.

There's got to be somebody that makes a comparable synthetic fluid. We all know Mopar doesn't actually make thier own fluids!
 
#8 ·
I agree with BlackonBlack there's is NO WAY Dodge formulated and manufactured a unique lubricant from scratch JUST for that one case.

I did some quick checking and NV245 transfer case fluid and it's the same stuff they use in the NV245 NV247 and NV249 cases.

Checking on line at Amsoil's application chart reveals the fluid is used in numerous transmission, hydraulic systems, final drives and power take-off systems, on farm and heavy equipment and even commercial lawn tractors.

They say to use Amsoil's Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil SAE 5W-30 at $8 a quart on line.

I did a reverse search for that fluid and find mention of it here on JeepCommander and on several other Jeep web sites .. apparently at least SOME members have been using the Amsoil Lubricant in the NV245 case.

Personally I can't see a big company like Amsoil specifying a lubricant unless it was the exact type needed ...

OK now the big question :) is anyone here on JeepCommander been using the Amsoil stuff? If so how long? and how is it working?
 
#12 ·
I did some quick checking and NV245 transfer case fluid and it's the same stuff they use in the NV245 NV247 and NV249 cases.

Checking on line at Amsoil's application chart reveals the fluid is used in numerous transmission, hydraulic systems, final drives and power take-off systems, on farm and heavy equipment and even commercial lawn tractors.

Are you sure this info is correct. My friend has a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the NV247j transfer case and it takes Synthetic ATF +4. Our transfer case definately doesnt take ATF +4.
 
#10 ·
After reading the Capacitys sticky I thought the transfer case took ATF +4 just like the trasmission.
 
#11 ·
Nope it sure doesnt. If I recall correctly that information was posted by Get Lost 4x4 and was incorrect information. It takes Mopar Transfer Case Fluid.
 
#13 ·
I checked it in a couple places on line it's in a back copy of Mopar magazine

http://www.moparmagazine.com/2008/m...ne-2008/the_unsung_heros_of_transmissions_differentials_and_transfer_cases.html

TRANSFER CASE LUBRICANT NV 245/NV 247/NV 249
All new convenient squeeze bottle.
1 Quart (32 Oz.) Bottle
Part No. 05016796AB
MS-10216

Opps ... hopefully he's got the right oil in there now .... There was a TSB about the 99's issued in April of that year everyone was supposed to upgrade to the new stuff
 
#16 · (Edited)
I checked it in a couple places on line it's in a back copy of Mopar magazine

Opps ... hopefully he's got the right oil in there now .... There was a TSB about the 99's issued in April of that year everyone was supposed to upgrade to the new stuff
It looks like you are correct.

Also I'll have to tell my friend. He probablly never knew about the TSB and change in fluid. Just to make sure were on the right page, you are saying that were not supposed to use ATF +4 right?????

Taken directly from my owners manual: Transfer Case - Mopar ATF+4 Automatic Transmission Fluid. The manual does not differentiate between the NV245 and the NV140. I had my 30,000 service done at my locally owned Goodyear dealer. They used Valvoline ATF+4 Trans Fluid.:eek:rangehat:
My owners manual states that the 3.7 Liters use Mopar ATF+4 Automatic Transmission Fluid and that the 4.7 Liter and 5.7 liters use Mopar NV257/245 Transfer Case Fluid.
 
#14 ·
Taken directly from my owners manual: Transfer Case - Mopar ATF+4 Automatic Transmission Fluid. The manual does not differentiate between the NV245 and the NV140. I had my 30,000 service done at my locally owned Goodyear dealer. They used Valvoline ATF+4 Trans Fluid.:eek:rangehat:
 
#15 ·
Taken directly from my owners manual: Transfer Case - Mopar ATF+4 Automatic Transmission Fluid. The manual does not differentiate between the NV245 and the NV140. I had my 30,000 service done at my locally owned Goodyear dealer. They used Valvoline ATF+4 Trans Fluid.:eek:rangehat:
Hmm that's weird is that from the Commander owners manual?

Mine is a 2006 and it defiantly shows the different lubes ...

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#23 ·
I changed to amsoil for the transmission, transfer case, and differentials @ 30,000 to the exact fluids on the amsoil website. I have driven 25,000 since the change and haven't had any issues.

great feedback ... is that with the 8 cylinder?
 
#29 ·
Ok. I am a bit confused. Are you saying my transfer case uses nv427 fluid. Because my manual says it uses ATF+4. I have the 5.7
 
#30 ·
Ok. I am a bit confused. Are you saying my transfer case uses nv427 fluid. Because my manual says it uses ATF+4. I have the 5.7
We need to know the year and build date (I assume it's a Commander?) to say.

Can you post a scan or snap shot of the page of your manual?
 
#31 ·
Yes it is a commander. Build 09/2005. Working on pic.
 
#32 ·
From the jeepforum.com website:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f13/247-transfer-case-fluid-495868/

The reason the New Process changed the lube oil in the 247 was becase of a huge problem with shutter. When you trun in a tight circle, you get the screaching tire.....well on the 247, it was consistently bad as compaired to the 249. What they found out was becase some of the parts in the 247 are powered metal, once cleaned in hot water, they would retain a small precentage of water. After time, the water would leach out of the parts into the oil. It was only a problem on the 247 becasue of the clutch pack design, since the 249 has a viscus coupling it is not a problem. So the bottom line is the Mobil 424 has a better resestance to entrained water particals then the ATF. Which is used on every other unit that New Process makes.

For all out there who want to know how I know so much.....I used to work at New Venture Gear and was one of the engineers who worked on the problem. So I didn't just make up the whole answer.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Sorry its the best i could do with my computer skills. Hope your eyes are good.


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#48 ·
I know that is what everyone is saying but here it is in black & white.
 
#35 · (Edited)
............when the pic was smaller and I enlarged it is was illegible.
 
#38 ·
Yeggster's says nv247 on page 390. in my 2006 book pg 390 is part of the maintenance schedule. my book is the same as dnice's, chassis is on page 385 and yes it says atf+4
 
#39 ·
My head hurts.
 
#40 ·
Musa have been a change somewhere along the line, wish we had a t-case number decoder to determine the right fluid to use. I don't trust that each case had been matched with the proper owners manual.
 
#41 ·
And to continue the confusion, my 2007 book with print copyright 2006, 1st edition says NV 245/247.
My build date was 06/07.
Regardless, sounds like the NV 245/247 is the good stuff (better be for that kind of dough) and I likely would stay with it or a New Venture equivilant if I was satisfied the specification matched. (like a Mobil 1 or Amsoil product)

I think this is the thread that ate my brain,
Rob
 
#42 ·
Yeggster- this may sound stupid but is your owners manual the original, does it say 2006 on the front? I am just trying to eliminate why we might have different manuals.
 
#43 · (Edited)
Mine says copyright 2005 (inside cover) first edition (back cover). -2006 manual
 
#44 ·
Nv245 couldnt hurt.Could it? I mean if i use it in my transfer case it shouldnt do any damaged.