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Transmission dipstick ?.

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I recently purchase a 07 jeep commander and only to find out there is no transmission dipstick in these jeep. So i'm looking to buy a transmission dipstick if any one has one for sale, or know where i can get one to buy. I check with the dealer, and some of them are saying there is no dip stick for that jeep. But on u\tube i saw someone change there T\mission fluid and they have a dipstick in place of the plug. Thanks for any info.
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There is no dipstick, YouTube must have been a different vehicle.

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There is one available.
https://millerspecialtools.spx.com/Detail.aspx?id=847
Or http://www.etoolcart.com/chrysler-di...ge-9336-a.aspx
Quote from the repair manual;
"The transmission Oil Dipstick 9336 has indicator marks every 10mm. Determine the height of the oil level on the dipstick and using the height, the transmission temperature, and the Transmission Fluid Graph, determine if the transmission oil level is correct."
Another couple of quotes from the SM;
"The dipstick will protrude from the fill tube when installed."
"Warm up the transmission, wait at least 2 minutes and check the oil level with the engine running.
Push the Oil Dipstick 9336 into transmission fill tube until the dipstick tip contacts the oil pan and pull outagain, read off oil level, repeat if necessary."
One of the keys to using it is, that you need to be able to monitor the transmission fluid temperature. The reading on the dipstick will vary quite a bit with every 10 Deg. warmer or cooler.
Trany fluid Level 42rle


Without a scan-gauge tool it would be difficult to determine the temperature of the fluid.
However, if I had an automatic and the fluid level was somewhere in the upper-mid to upper range on the dipstick, once the transmission is warm, I would be comfortable with that.
On level ground of course.
But I must caution anyone about doing this on your own. I have merely supplied some information and my opinions here.
I am not responsible for how you use this information, or any possible damage that may occur from you not servicing your vehicle properly.


Now if someone were to get a dipstick, have there trany serviced by a dealer, and then imediatly check the level. We would have some "Real" numbers to go by...

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Commanders came with 2 different transmissions, according to what engine you have.

The V6 has the Mercedes W5A580, which has no dipstick, just a plastic cap on the tube for the dipstick.

The V8's have the Chrysler 545RFE, which has a diptick.

So the descrapancy you see is likely from two different transmissions that could be in your Commander.

The Mercedes W5A580 does have a special tool that is a dipstick, to check fluid level. The trans is very sensative to fluid level, more so than other trans, so they make it a Dealer/Shop service item only and do NOT include a dipstick.

You can find the dipstick tool on e-bay and other places, it is a tool, NOT designed to stay in the trans like other dipsticks. You pull the cap and put it down the tube and a good portion still sticks out after it bottoms out. So no, after you get the special tool, you can't leave it in the trans like its a regular dipstick.

The procedure for checking the trans fluid level is to use the dealer starscan tool, or another enhanced scan tool that can access the electronics of the trans and read the trans temp from the sensor. Then look up the proper fluid level vs temperature from a table in the FSM, you can find them on the internet as well, and measure that level with the special tool. (See why they made it a dealer/shop only service item.)

If you don't have an enhanced scan tool that can read transmission sensors, you may be able to still use the special tool dipstick, using an accurate temp measure tool against the trans fluid pan.

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THXS for the info! guys.
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I wonder if transmission shops have a scan tool (equivalent to Starscan) to measure the fluid level.

Note: The W5A580 may be referred to as NAG1. This transmission has a silver oil pan while the 545RFE has a black pan.

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I wonder if transmission shops have a scan tool (equivalent to Starscan) to measure the fluid level.

Note: The W5A580 may be referred to as NAG1. This transmission has a silver oil pan while the 545RFE has a black pan.
There are all sorts of scan tools, with all sorts of different levels of capability. Only Starscan is the proprietary tool for Chrysler vehicles, no other tool has the ability to do every thing for your Chrysler vehicle.

Most transmissions shops will have a tool capable of reading and doing most of the basic stuff they'll need to do, but don't rule out they, or you, will still have to take the vehicle to the dealer.

No scan tool can tell the transmission fluid level, there are no sensors for that. The scantool is too read the sensors that measure the fluid temperature. You need the dipstick tool to read the fluid level.

Yes, the W5A580 is also the NAG1.

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Shouldn't it be a rule that all Jeeps need to be simple enough to examine/diagnose by hand and repair out in the middle of nowhere? This kind of complexity is not better.
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The V6 has the Mercedes W5A580, which has no dipstick, just a plastic cap on the tube for the dipstick.
I read on a Mercedes forum a bit about some transmissions. I don't know if it was the same one, but there was an E class that I was reading about that didn't have the dipstick. There is a special one you can buy, but it's only purpose is for measuring the amount of fluid in the tranny after filling. When the tranny is filled, that dipstick is removed and the tube is capped.

If you buy a dipstick, DON'T LEAVE IT IN!!!



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Just came across this thread and Im amazed. I knew there wasnt a dipstick but didnt know that there was a special tool to check it and that my v6 has a Mercedes Trans. My father also just recently purchased an 06 commander and he was livid about there being no dipstick.. of course new things and technology scare him. good to know if I do get a dipstick not to leave it in. Ill pass the word on.

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