Bypassing the "in-motion" menu

There was another thread on this that did not come to a conclusion, since we have this new forum, I figured I would pose the question again.


Has anyone heard of/figured out a way to bypass the in-motion menu while driving for those of us who are capable of not crashing while navigating? :D

I asked the dealer about it, he said you can't.... I would love to get rid of that annoying <ENTER> keystoke (I've read it already!), and be able to have the passenger put in an address while driving instead of having to remember to do it before I get going. Hope someone comes up with some way of allowing it.

I asked the dealer about it, he said you can't.... I would love to get rid of that annoying <ENTER> keystoke (I've read it already!), and be able to have the passenger put in an address while driving instead of having to remember to do it before I get going. Hope someone comes up with some way of allowing it.

New member here.

I have a guy working on it right now and I think he can do it because he said to me it would cost $100 CASH only and he would NOT provide me with a receipt (for obvious reasons).

I will let you know if he did it.

OK, then rip the radio out of the dash and see which line he tied to ground and we'll each chip in $10.00. :D

I'm in too.
That damn screen is annoying.
When my wife is driving, I love to play with the GPS but once we're moving over 5 mph most of the functions are locked out. I've read other GPS sites and vehicle sites and some of the fixes include hand brake switches (electrical connections) or soldering a jumper on the circuitboard etc. Can't find anything on Jeep GPS lockout override.
They should allow full GPS control when the passenger side seat scale weighs an adult passenger (air bag deployment sensor system). I read there's a gyro in the GPS system to maintain position updates even when more than two satelites are not available due to overhead obstruction. It may be as easy as cutting a speed sensor wire going to the GPS.

Here's another one.
Did anyone order an updated GPS DVD? It's pretty expensive.

I'm in too.
That damn screen is annoying.
When my wife is driving, I love to play with the GPS but once we're moving over 5 mph most of the functions are locked out. I've read other GPS sites and vehicle sites and some of the fixes include hand brake switches (electrical connections) or soldering a jumper on the circuitboard etc. Can't find anything on Jeep GPS lockout override.
They should allow full GPS control when the passenger side seat scale weighs an adult passenger (air bag deployment sensor system). I read there's a gyro in the GPS system to maintain position updates even when more than two satelites are not available due to overhead obstruction. It may be as easy as cutting a speed sensor wire going to the GPS.

Well, my guy struck out. After looking at my NAV, he told me that whatever "CAN" system they are using, it makes it almost impossible to just "cut a speed sensor wire" because the wire does so many other things...he is still researching it, but I am not holding my breath.

I've got my cash ready for your guy.

It can be done! Bump

It can be done! Bump

Please share with us HOW it can be done. Don't tease us like this unless you can tell us how to do it.

Thanks in advance.

The *feature* that I'm familiar with, cuts out at 10 mph, and won't let you do anything while in motion. Thus, the below describes that.

On other forums, this has been attempted. It turns out that the *feature* is not dependant on the speed data that's transmitted via the CAN Bus, but is tied to the speed calculated from the GPS Data that the NAV unit receives. And, this *Feature* is part of the firmware flashed into the NAV unit. In order to bypass or defeat this *feature*, you would have to reverse engineer the firmware that comes on the Nav DVD. Then, find the section of code that causes this *Feature* to happen.. Disable it.. Re-compile it.. ( oh, after incrementing the version number so that the NAV unit would even want the new version ). And burn an entire DVD with the NAV data, and the Firmware upgrade ( has to be double layered so it will hold all the NAV data ).

So... it's quite involved.. Some have tried, but didn't make it past the first step ( reverse engineering the Firmware ).

The *feature* that I'm familiar with, cuts out at 10 mph, and won't let you do anything while in motion. Thus, the below describes that.

On other forums, this has been attempted. It turns out that the *feature* is not dependant on the speed data that's transmitted via the CAN Bus, but is tied to the speed calculated from the GPS Data that the NAV unit receives. And, this *Feature* is part of the firmware flashed into the NAV unit. In order to bypass or defeat this *feature*, you would have to reverse engineer the firmware that comes on the Nav DVD. Then, find the section of code that causes this *Feature* to happen.. Disable it.. Re-compile it.. ( oh, after incrementing the version number so that the NAV unit would even want the new version ). And burn an entire DVD with the NAV data, and the Firmware upgrade ( has to be double layered so it will hold all the NAV data ).

So... it's quite involved.. Some have tried, but didn't make it past the first step ( reverse engineering the Firmware ).

So, has anyone gotten it to work? If not, then why are you saying "it can be done"? I'm confused...

Interesting thread. I rode with a friend in Berlin last year, his system worked whilst the machine was in motion. I remember bcause I was in the nav. seat listening to directions in Deutsch, "linx, rex" etc. So it's possible, but maybe not in our JC's system....

Are there any updates to bypass the in-motion menu??

Thanks.

http://www.kptechnologies.com/ try this should work.

http://www.kptechnologies.com/ try this should work.

Great Find Loffgren!!!

Do you know for a FACT if the Navi Bypass Speed Sensor module they sell works on the Jeep Commander's NAVI?

The description indicates that it will disable the speed sensor, but someone else on this board posted that it is a lot more complicated than just installing a module.

Anyone actually have this module installed and if so, does it disable the speed sensor?

Thanks,

rjmoose

I must have missed something. I looked at their product page and all I saw regarding navigation system was a module that automatically accepts the nag screen that appears when the car is started.

I must have missed something. I looked at their product page and all I saw regarding navigation system was a module that automatically accepts the nag screen that appears when the car is started.

Clicking on the picture, it gives a more detailed description:

"Module Has The Ability To Trigger An External Relay To Interrupt The Vehicle Speed Sensor Wire, Allowing Navigation Input While Driving."

I dont know for a fact that it will work or not, it says it will i'll give her a whirl...I'll give them a call tomorrow and talk details.

In order for the speed to be bypassed there HAS to be something to interupt. If the speed is dirived from either a CAN bus or GPS itself then it won't be quite as easy.

However, if the speed IS in fact based on GPS it may be possible to defeat the GPS antenna. If the antenna loses power, the Navi unit will lose GPS, thus losing speed, thus allowing you to program while in motion.

Keep in mind, that whenever bypassing speed information there are side effects. Usually placement is lost for the duration of the interuption. Also, any mileage calculations (MPG, oil change, etc) will be off.

The KPtech module is designed to work WITH the OEM 'OK' button. So, before the VSS portion can even be implemented it would have to be possible to tap in to the 'OK' button. I have never personally seen the Navi unit in the Commander so I have no clue if it is possible.

The Navi 'OK' bypass on the KPtech site was designed specifically for Nissan/Infiniti vehicles, but, due to the nature of the module, it may be possible to use it on other vehicles.

Anyone near Dayton, Ohio?

Anyone near Dayton, Ohio?

KPierson,

I live in Beavercreek, how about you?

KPierson,

I live in Beavercreek, how about you?

I don't know about the other members on this board, but I would be willing to contribute money (to pay for gas, time, materials, etc.) to have these two people meet up and see if this module will work on the Commander...anyone else?

I've lived in Beavercreek for 26 years! I grew up on the 'Kettering' side, now I live right by the mall (Grange Hall/New Germany Trebein). What area do you live in?

Does anyone have a detailed schematic of the Navi/GPS system? It would be really nice to verify if there is an external antenna, and where it is mounted at if it exists.

Does anyone have a detailed schematic of the Navi/GPS system? It would be really nice to verify if there is an external antenna, and where it is mounted at if it exists.

Come on people...help the man out!!!

Come on people...help the man out!!!

According to WKJEEPS.COM the antenna is mounted behind the radio. I am guessing it is the same on the XK.

http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_nav.htm

Good find, thats a great starting point!

I find it somewhat hard to believe that they rely soley on speed calculated from GPS to provide the lock out. There are areas where GPS doesn't reach (tunnels, etc). Its worth a shot though. Anyone got any links to other places where this has been discussed/tried?

I've lived in Beavercreek for 26 years! I grew up on the 'Kettering' side, now I live right by the mall (Grange Hall/New Germany Trebein). What area do you live in?

I live off of Knollwood Dr. I have lived in Beavercreek my whole life. Do you have a Commander yet? I'm not getting mine until the end of summer.

I have an aftermarket GPS system, and when I first got it, it locked out also, but once I got onto the mian menu, I could turn off that Feature. It seems stupid that you can't turn it off, but I do understand why they have it.

Small world. My Grandparents live off of Knollwood on Fairknoll. You're about 5 mintues away from me!

I don't own a Commander, and due to my new townhouse, don't have any plans of buying any new vehicles any time soon!

I'm considering buying a Cabin in Northeast Minnesota, so our Commander may be on the waiting list also. Also with the gas prices shooting $3 a gallon, we may have to get another Grand Caravan. My wife drives from Beavercreek to Cincinnati about 3 times a week (University of Cincinnati) so a car with good gas Mileage is pretty important to us. I drive anywhere from Toledo to Cincinnati also, so we aren't sure a Commander is the right vehicle for us.

Just for everyones interesting it is of note that it appears things work a bit different over this side of the pond.

I only has course to use the SatNav this week (its mainly for the Mrs) and although we have to press the Enter button which whilst is annoying is I suppose rather to be expected in this day and age, there don't appear to be any restrictions with the use of the SatNav functions. What can't you do on yours ?

In any event if this was the case this would actually seem to indicate its down to the software of the Nav image rather than a specific hardware issue.

Let me know and I'll try and see whether the feature restrictions are the same.

Okay, I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but I'll say it anyway--

On my (ahem) 4Runner, the factory nav has a hidden diagnostic menu that allows anyone to bypass the "in-motion" lockout feature. In fact, all Toyota navs installed in '05 and later vehicles have this feature. By choosing "override" from the hidden menu, the driver or passenger is able to access the full list of features at any speed.

Perhaps the answer you guys are looking for is as close as a hidden diagnostic menu built into your system. Before you tear your hair out looking for solutions such as interrupting the speed sensor signal, you might want to research the diagnostic capabilities of your unit.

Okay, I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but I'll say it anyway--

On my (ahem) 4Runner, the factory nav has a hidden diagnostic menu that allows anyone to bypass the "in-motion" lockout feature. In fact, all Toyota navs installed in '05 and later vehicles have this feature. By choosing "override" from the hidden menu, the driver or passenger is able to access the full list of features at any speed.

Perhaps the answer you guys are looking for is as close as a hidden diagnostic menu built into your system. Before you tear your hair out looking for solutions such as interrupting the speed sensor signal, you might want to research the diagnostic capabilities of your unit.

Sounds promising, but the $1,000,000 question is how do you get to the hidden menu????

Sounds promising, but the $1,000,000 question is how do you get to the hidden menu????

Well, on the 4Runner nav, it takes a series of about 5 presses on hidden buttons on the screen to get to diagnostic screen.

I understand that the Jeep nav is not touchscreen, so I would imagine it you have to press a series of "hard" button to access it. I can just about guarantee you that it has some sort of diagnostic menu built into the system. The trick is finding it. Maybe someone has a service manual that covers the procedure? That might be a good place to start.

Well, on the 4Runner nav, it takes a series of about 5 presses on hidden buttons on the screen to get to diagnostic screen.

I understand that the Jeep nav is not touchscreen, so I would imagine it you have to press a series of "hard" button to access it. I can just about guarantee you that it has some sort of diagnostic menu built into the system. The trick is finding it. Maybe someone has a service manual that covers the procedure? That might be a good place to start.

Anyone, Anyone????????

Anyone, Anyone????????

I have one.....let me check.

just went through the manual.....no mention of a specific diagnostic access from the unit. All the diagnostics are done from the OBD/CAN interfaces.

Next step is to find out who made the actual head unit and check their resources....and ideas?

Alpine makes the head unit.

The firmware on the DVD can be patched to ignore being in-motion when using the nav. See the CarHack forum for more info. Basically, you burn a new DVD and use that to load up some patched firmware.

See: www carhack org for more info.

This is the exact link
http://www.carhack.org/forum/index.php?topic=18.0

Try this. I have it in my charger and it works great. Easy install.

http://www.coastaletech.com/MYGIG%20COMMANDER%20DEMO.htm

Here is a link to the diagnostics menu for the rec. I used it to go back to my original nav dvd after burning the ag version. It worked fine for a while then started having disk errors. I thought I would put it back in the computer I burned it with and make a copy. That computer even has read errors. The disk has tiny scratches on it yet it has been in the nav unit since burned. I was careful not to scratch it prior to loading it. Odd.

Currently I'm getting the AI version with both inmotion and nag hack. Hope I have a longer run time with it.

http://www.carhack.org/forum/index.php?topic=1445.msg3332;topicseen#msg3332