3.5" speaker questions - Jeep Commander Forums: Jeep Commander Forum
Electronics / NAV Discussion This section contains discussion about the electronics system and NAV system in the Jeep Commander.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 09:29 AM Thread Starter
Member
Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30
Level up: 24% Level up: 24% Level up: 24%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Near the Badlands
Posts: 42
3.5" speaker questions

Can you remove the 3.5" speakers' dash grill by prying it off or is it like the doors and is just molded to the rest? Any recommendations on 3.5s? Does the small gauge speaker wire that is already run adequate enough for nice aftermarket 3.5s?

Thanks.

'06 4.7L V8 65th Green Commander;; Performance: K&N 57; Flowmaster SUV 50; 4" Superlift; 1.5" Spidertax Spacer; 285/70R17 BF Goods MT KM2 x5; 50x60 Surco rack;; Electronics: Kenwood Excelon deck, bluetooth unit, amp, and 12in over-sized sub; MB Quart amp and 6x9 speakers; Garmin GPS; Python Remote Start;; Other: Black WeatherTech floor mats; Clinometer; Glock mount; Replaced rear seat with toolbox.
BauerJackBauer is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:06 AM
Senior Member
Points: 34,360, Level: 100 Points: 34,360, Level: 100 Points: 34,360, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
cico7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: mid ohio
Posts: 5,612
Garage
Send a message via MSN to cico7 Send a message via Skype™ to cico7
the grill pops off easily enough, butter knife ir screwdriver works well.
Are you replacing all of your speakers? I read a recommendation recently that suggested not hooking up those speakers. My dash speakers are not hooked up. The reason is, in part, the sound has to refloect off the glass and that diminishes the quality of the sound. Use a 2 way in the door. Better staging improves the quality of the sound. Use bass blockers on the front door speakers, but not on the rear speakers.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Benjamin Davis Pirtle
1990-2015

Last edited by cico7; 07-30-2010 at 10:09 AM.
cico7 is offline  
post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:13 AM
Banned
Points: 6,103, Level: 50 Points: 6,103, Level: 50 Points: 6,103, Level: 50
Level up: 77% Level up: 77% Level up: 77%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana
Posts: 1,406
The speaker grills on the top of dash just pop off. Use a small tipped screwdriver so you don't damage them! I stayed with my BA amp, so the speakers for it need to be 2 ohm. I found 2 ohm 3.5 Infinitys (2-way) from Crutchfield. They supply a connecter which allows you to plug them into the existing wires. I purchased the Kicker 6x9 (1-way) for the front doors, and 2 ohm 6.5 Infinitys (2-way) for the rear doors. Sounds good to me!
dhh3 is offline  
 
post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:15 AM Thread Starter
Member
Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30
Level up: 24% Level up: 24% Level up: 24%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Near the Badlands
Posts: 42
Yeah I just put in some killer 6x9 components with the tweeters at the kick panels. I dont think i need bass blockers because the amp does the tuning. I know tweets and other speakers are not good high up because the distance for the left is way closer than the right speaker to the driver and makes bad imaging/staging. and i will not replace the rear speakers because you want a good front stage effect. I will look in to disconnecting the 3.5s.

Thanks

'06 4.7L V8 65th Green Commander;; Performance: K&N 57; Flowmaster SUV 50; 4" Superlift; 1.5" Spidertax Spacer; 285/70R17 BF Goods MT KM2 x5; 50x60 Surco rack;; Electronics: Kenwood Excelon deck, bluetooth unit, amp, and 12in over-sized sub; MB Quart amp and 6x9 speakers; Garmin GPS; Python Remote Start;; Other: Black WeatherTech floor mats; Clinometer; Glock mount; Replaced rear seat with toolbox.
BauerJackBauer is offline  
post #5 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
Member
Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30
Level up: 24% Level up: 24% Level up: 24%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Near the Badlands
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhh3 View Post
The speaker grills on the top of dash just pop off. Use a small tipped screwdriver so you don't damage them! I stayed with my BA amp, so the speakers for it need to be 2 ohm. I found 2 ohm 3.5 Infinitys (2-way) from Crutchfield. They supply a connecter which allows you to plug them into the existing wires. I purchased the Kicker 6x9 (1-way) for the front doors, and 2 ohm 6.5 Infinitys (2-way) for the rear doors. Sounds good to me!
Do you have your deck equalizer set forward so your rear 6.5 infinitys dont drown out your front stage effect? You want it to sound like all the music is coming from in front of you, even if you have a sub (which is hard to achieve).

'06 4.7L V8 65th Green Commander;; Performance: K&N 57; Flowmaster SUV 50; 4" Superlift; 1.5" Spidertax Spacer; 285/70R17 BF Goods MT KM2 x5; 50x60 Surco rack;; Electronics: Kenwood Excelon deck, bluetooth unit, amp, and 12in over-sized sub; MB Quart amp and 6x9 speakers; Garmin GPS; Python Remote Start;; Other: Black WeatherTech floor mats; Clinometer; Glock mount; Replaced rear seat with toolbox.

Last edited by BauerJackBauer; 07-30-2010 at 10:29 AM.
BauerJackBauer is offline  
post #6 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:20 AM
Senior Member
Points: 1,951, Level: 26 Points: 1,951, Level: 26 Points: 1,951, Level: 26
Level up: 51% Level up: 51% Level up: 51%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
strokeZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 195
The infinity speakers are good - I have them as well. The stock speaker wire is more than adequate. I found that I needed to install a resistor to cut back the sound a bit for better imaging (as Cico7 stated), but they are not totally turned off. One reason is that these are 2 ohm speakers. I replaced the original system with an Alpine amp for the 6 speakers and a JL Audio amp for the subwoofer. Without the resistor, the deck speakers were just too bright. I still lack some mid bass and am not sure if its the natural resonance of the cabin or I am just not tuned up properly.

07 Jeep Commander 4.7L FFV 4X4, 4" Superlift, BFG 285/70/17 KM2's, 4xGuard Front / Belly / Side /Diff Guards, CAI / Catback, Jet Stage 1 Chip

03 BMW Z4 2.5i ESS Stage 1 Supercharged, Staggared Wheels, Koni/Dinan Suspension, Stebro Exhaust
strokeZ is offline  
post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:26 AM Thread Starter
Member
Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30 Points: 2,486, Level: 30
Level up: 24% Level up: 24% Level up: 24%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Near the Badlands
Posts: 42
I might replace the 3.5s but not put the grill back on so i can use brackets to angle them forward and cross angle (left aims rightish) them like a-pillar tweeters on most cars. It is not ideal but I think it will give me a better high middle range because 6x9s are pretty deep because they have the surface area of a 10in diameter woofer.

'06 4.7L V8 65th Green Commander;; Performance: K&N 57; Flowmaster SUV 50; 4" Superlift; 1.5" Spidertax Spacer; 285/70R17 BF Goods MT KM2 x5; 50x60 Surco rack;; Electronics: Kenwood Excelon deck, bluetooth unit, amp, and 12in over-sized sub; MB Quart amp and 6x9 speakers; Garmin GPS; Python Remote Start;; Other: Black WeatherTech floor mats; Clinometer; Glock mount; Replaced rear seat with toolbox.
BauerJackBauer is offline  
post #8 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 01:03 PM
Senior Member
Points: 34,360, Level: 100 Points: 34,360, Level: 100 Points: 34,360, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
cico7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: mid ohio
Posts: 5,612
Garage
Send a message via MSN to cico7 Send a message via Skype™ to cico7
Check out meatball's Garage for his tweeters


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Benjamin Davis Pirtle
1990-2015
cico7 is offline  
post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-30-2010, 10:00 PM
Banned
Points: 6,103, Level: 50 Points: 6,103, Level: 50 Points: 6,103, Level: 50
Level up: 77% Level up: 77% Level up: 77%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana
Posts: 1,406
Quote:
Originally Posted by BauerJackBauer View Post
Do you have your deck equalizer set forward so your rear 6.5 infinitys dont drown out your front stage effect? You want it to sound like all the music is coming from in front of you, even if you have a sub (which is hard to achieve).
I'm using the stock BA amp, which as far as I know, does not have an EQ. I know that the amp is located behind the driver side rear panel by the third row, but I have never looked at it. I'm too lazy to take the panel off! There has been a lot of controversy about this amp, but as near as I can figure out, it is a 6 channel amp: 2 channels for the front door 6x9's (base only), 2 channels for the dash (mid and highs) and 2 channels (full range) for the rear doors. The amp that Kicker makes to replace the BA amp in the Commander does not work because it is not a 6 channel amp. I originally bought the Kicker set for the front (2 - 6x9's and 2 - 3.5's) and the Kicker set for the back doors. It sounded good - much better than the std BA speakers. But within 3 months, I blew the rear 6.5's! The dealer said I had to go through Kicker (I couldn't send them back!) and I couldn't get Kicker to even respond, so I bought the 6.5 2 ohm Infinitys from Crutchfield. The highs sounded so much crisper than the Kickers, that I opted for the 3.5 2 ohm Infinitys for the dash, and they made a huge difference. I stayed with the 6x9 Kickers in the front doors because they are a one way speaker, and the BA amp only sends base to them anyway, so it would have been a waste to buy 2-way speakers. In talking to Crutchfield, if I went with 4 ohm speakers, they would have basically cut the BA amp power in half. This is why I stayed with 2 ohm speakers. My 3.5 Kickers are sitting on a shelf in the garage if any one is interested in them. I used them for only about 4 months, until the replacement Infinity's arrived. They are made to plug directly in to the speaker wire harness.
dhh3 is offline  
post #10 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-31-2010, 06:06 AM
Senior Member
Points: 34,360, Level: 100 Points: 34,360, Level: 100 Points: 34,360, Level: 100
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
cico7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: mid ohio
Posts: 5,612
Garage
Send a message via MSN to cico7 Send a message via Skype™ to cico7
If I recall correctly, the stock front door and dash speakers are both 2ohm speakers. The rear door speakers are 4ohm. Don't know if that is of any value, but there it is.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Benjamin Davis Pirtle
1990-2015
cico7 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Jeep Commander Forums: Jeep Commander Forum > Jeep Commander Discussion > Electronics / NAV Discussion

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Commander Forums: Jeep Commander Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome