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WIN Module Repair

I have 2009 Jeep Commander Sport 2wd 3.7L V6.

I am having the issue where the fobik will not turn all the way back to the Off position so that I can remove the key when I turn off my JC. I could not find anything in my searches. Has anyone had this issue and found a solution?

Also, has anyone had their WINS module repaired by this guy?
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There is an interlock that prevents the key from turning all the way to the off position and thus can NOT be removed; IF, the shifter is NOT in the park position. The sensor in the shifter can get dirty and gummed up, that is one possibility as to a cause.

In this case, the ignition switch will let you turn the engine off, it will just stop you from making it to the very last position to remove the key.


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I plan to pull apart my center console and mare sure everything is clean and there are no issues to prevent the WIN Module from detecting if the transmission is in park.

I noticed that sometimes when it is in park, I can hear the module clicking locking and releasing. This makes me think it cannot determine park.

If that does not fix the issue, I am thinking of either sending him my WIN Module or possibly buying a new one from this guy. Either way, we'll see how it goes.

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I would think a sensor problem would be in the shifter, NOT the WIN module, there are threads of folks cleaning the shifter and using electric cleaner and getting the sensor rooted problems fixed.

If the shifter sensor is working, you could have the solenoid or other part of the WIN module that is bad and just won't activate like it should.

If cycling the shifter, seems to change things, I'd suspect the shifter or its sensors. If it doesn't, I'd suspect the WIN module itself. Multiple clicking without unlocking the FOBIK on the surface sounds like a bad module to me, for the reasons you speculated, but I could be wrong.


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Ok, so was able to fix this issue after finding a post on the CherokeeSRT8 forums site (hopefully it's okay to mention the site). It was party done out necessity since she stopped giving my key back at all on Saturday (unless I pulled and replace the ignition fuse or pulled and replace the negative battery cable - not feasible long term), and partly as a f&*k you to the dealerships who want $500 for this part. I figured I could pay the money for the part and programming if I messed it up or need to later. I learned a couple of things while working on the issue myself that I would like to pass on.

1. After buying a electronic shift module from a 2008 JC in a junkyard, I pulled it apart and found the little gray sensor (gated park switch) is wired directly to the WIN Module and is responsible for telling it the shifter is in park. This sensor can be replaced if you are willing to take it apart and find the part number in the internal switch, shipping costs more than the switch.

2. There is a solenoid inside the WIN Module that pushed a rod in place to lock the key in the accessory position. It is really easy to pull the module out of the dashboard, remove the circuit board, and then remove the rod from the solenoid that locks the key in place.

I have the pics from the other site below (Sorry about the links, the files are on google drive and I cannot get the images to pull into the post):


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https://goo.gl/photos/WCvpuaw2sKdvojbT9

https://goo.gl/photos/WZUX4dDK7N3WmbUv5


Now that I have removed the piece that locks the key in accessory, I have been able to go on without worrying about my key being locked in the ignition. Freedom.

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I "think" the shifter is one of those components that come from the Dealership disabled. Once installed, it has to be enabled and can be done so by the Dealer WiTech Tool.

If you get the part from a Junkyard, it would have been enabled already on a different vehicle, and thus will plug & play.

There more than a few parts, including Mopar Accessories, that work plug and play, I have installed them and with my AutoEngiunity Tool, I can see them identified on the bus, the bus controller/central gateway has assigned it an address, run the self-test and it passes, etc. But it just won't operate until the Dealer Wi-Tech tool is plugged in and used to enable the module.

But get the part out of a junkyard, that was previously enabled on another vehicle, it will plug and play and work just fine.

BTW, Chrysler/FCA is NOT the only one doing this garbage, the other manufacturer's do it also.

The Manufacture/Dealership will argue that it is for anti-theft/security, to prevent theft of parts in the supply system. Which they have a point, but if that is so, then customers should have the option of them plugging the part into a tool and having it enabled before its handed over the parts counter to the customer. But they don't do that, the fact it forces customers into dealership service departments to pay outrageous service fees, which the manufacturer gets a cut of that, makes me very cynical and suspicious there is another agenda at hand.


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