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post #11 of 27 (permalink) Old 08-12-2019, 10:45 AM
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It looks like a good set up.

Ive just spent all weekend trying to sort out the problems with my newly installed Pioneer AVIC-F980DAB. I had it installed by a firm who were supposed to know what they were doing. Big mistake on my part.

after waiting a week for their suppliers 'Pioneer' specialist to come back from vacation, the battle commenced.

The unit was installed last friday, the 'expert' informed the installer that very few Jeeps have the boston audio kit installed and that a simple adapter woul solve the wiring issue.

result no sound (surprise surprise) then for some very bizzare unexplanable reason the audio started to work and worked for over an hour - until i switched the engine off. At that point all the video stuff was working great AND the radio was showing the station idents on DAB and which track was being broadcast.

Next morning all video working and DAB, sat nav etc was good - but no audio.

took back to installer, had 'chat' about the boston audio amp, installer had been told by installation kit supliers 'expert' that mine didnt have one so unit must be faulty.

contacted supplier (in germany) who was adamant it was a software update issue updated software to latest version (07 to 08) made no diference at all.

I decided to actually look for the audio amp - found it on the left hand side of the area inside the rear door - so i do have an amp!

took Jeep back to installer today and showed him the amp his face was a picture -especialy when i told him he would be paying for a replacement if it had been blown by the pioneer sending it an already amplified signal for the short time period it had worked.

If anyone has any suggestions though on how to fix the mess, i.e. get the pioneer working, it will be greatfully recieved.
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It looks like a good set up.



Ive just spent all weekend trying to sort out the problems with my newly installed Pioneer AVIC-F980DAB. I had it installed by a firm who were supposed to know what they were doing. Big mistake on my part.



after waiting a week for their suppliers 'Pioneer' specialist to come back from vacation, the battle commenced.



The unit was installed last friday, the 'expert' informed the installer that very few Jeeps have the boston audio kit installed and that a simple adapter woul solve the wiring issue.



result no sound (surprise surprise) then for some very bizzare unexplanable reason the audio started to work and worked for over an hour - until i switched the engine off. At that point all the video stuff was working great AND the radio was showing the station idents on DAB and which track was being broadcast.



Next morning all video working and DAB, sat nav etc was good - but no audio.



took back to installer, had 'chat' about the boston audio amp, installer had been told by installation kit supliers 'expert' that mine didnt have one so unit must be faulty.



contacted supplier (in germany) who was adamant it was a software update issue updated software to latest version (07 to 08) made no diference at all.



I decided to actually look for the audio amp - found it on the left hand side of the area inside the rear door - so i do have an amp!



took Jeep back to installer today and showed him the amp his face was a picture -especialy when i told him he would be paying for a replacement if it had been blown by the pioneer sending it an already amplified signal for the short time period it had worked.



If anyone has any suggestions though on how to fix the mess, i.e. get the pioneer working, it will be greatfully recieved.


Do you know what all they installed? What adapter and wiring harness?


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Hi Sevenjays
car back with them today, if its not working tomorrow I'll find out what kit they have installed. they gave me back an old (what looked like) sony-ericson hands free kit which had been hardwired in and lodged behind the glovebox (it was obsolete though when i got the car) and the Parrot hands free kit which was in the car when i aquired it. with both of those kits in the audio on the OEM radio/satnav/cd player was fine - the only issue was the screen more often than not (but not always) refusing to work.
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I've got an 06 with the Boston system....didn't need a the fancy expensive harness or an amp bypass harness. Just the basic matching male plug to bare tales. You just gotta hook all the right wires up between the head-unit harness and the vehicle adapter harness. In the case of our system- that doesn't mean matching all the colors between the two like a traditional set up.

I'd have to crack my dash back open to confirm what exactly I did, but I KNOW you have to wire the Front Speaker wires from the head-unit to the Rear Speaker wires on the vehicle harness. The Factory Amp only accepts input signal from the Rear Speaker lines. The other is that you have to send a 12v power on signal to the amp- either through the Blue/White amp power wire or the Power Antenna wire (i think it's brown?). I know our jeeps don't have a Power Antenna, but that's just the default stereo wiring name/color combo.

Of course, an amp bypass harness and/or the active fancy harnesses should remedy all of this as well, and allow front/rear fade....but just sayin that there is another way!
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That explains why in the harness I bought there was a pair of connectors, 1 black and 1 white that had to be switched depending on if you were bypassing the factory amp or not.
I really wanted to keep the steering wheel controls was probably my main reason for going the route I did. I can program them for several different things but not all the choices actually worked. Programming involves removing the iDatalink from the harness and connecting it to a computer so somewhat of a pain for experimenting.


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It now looks like the installer has used the wrong adapter, according to a local specialist there are two types on the commander - one with rounded corners, one with angular corners. Neither one of which would've given me the steering wheel controls though, so in short he didn't seem to know what he was doing.

going to an audio specialist tomorrow, they have pointed me in the direction of https://connects2.com/Product/ProductItem/CTSJP001 (im not advertising anything - just highlighting that there are adapters out there)
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It now looks like the installer has used the wrong adapter, according to a local specialist there are two types on the commander - one with rounded corners, one with angular corners. Neither one of which would've given me the steering wheel controls though, so in short he didn't seem to know what he was doing.

going to an audio specialist tomorrow, they have pointed me in the direction of https://connects2.com/Product/ProductItem/CTSJP001 (im not advertising anything - just highlighting that there are adapters out there)
Let us know how you make out @CP07;

I can give you a little info, but, I don't know how relevant it would be to your situation since you have an 06 Limited (different factory head unit than my old 2008 REC MyGIG head unit I believe) and you have steering wheel controls, which I don't have;

At any rate; when I had my Pioneer AVH-X490BS CD/DVD RDS AV head unit with Sirius XM Receiver installed, the audio place I went to used a simple wiring harness adapter to hook up the Pioneer head unit to the factory wiring harness (don't know which adapter they used off hand, I'd have to go look for my receipt and see if it's listed).

The only thing that does not function on my Pioneer head unit is the front to rear fade; everything else, including the factory back-up camera display & my upgraded kicker amp works fine.
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That explains why in the harness I bought there was a pair of connectors, 1 black and 1 white that had to be switched depending on if you were bypassing the factory amp or not.
I really wanted to keep the steering wheel controls was probably my main reason for going the route I did. I can program them for several different things but not all the choices actually worked. Programming involves removing the iDatalink from the harness and connecting it to a computer so somewhat of a pain for experimenting.

oh ya, forgot about that part. I used a PAC SWI-RT to keep my controls. It comes with vehicle specific hookup instructions (usually only 3-4 wires: power, ground, signal in/out) and you can program your wheel buttons to do whatever you want (within the capabilities of the head-unit). Reprogram at any time, right in the vehicle. However, it usually lives behind the head-unit, in the dash, so you usually do all of this during install as it's hard to get to later.

Again, this was all before iDataLink had this current stuff for options!

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er, assuming that isn't a reference to the meatloaf song "paradise by the dash board light"

It works

will post a list of the parts i used tomorrow, and the model of the old head unit.

But i now have audio. (hands free caling not working at this stage but thats probably a settings thing.)
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er, assuming that isn't a reference to the meatloaf song "paradise by the dash board light"

It works

will post a list of the parts i used tomorrow, and the model of the old head unit.

But i now have audio. (hands free caling not working at this stage but thats probably a settings thing.)
Awesome, looking forward to reading about what you put together.


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