Overheated and now won't start - Jeep Commander Forums: Jeep Commander Forum
General Commander Discussion General Discussion involving the Jeep Commander goes here. If it does not fit into a more specific category below, post it here.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 07-30-2014, 11:09 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34
Level up: 28% Level up: 28% Level up: 28%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
Overheated and now won't start

Hi !, I need some help please !

Today a hose from the heating system broke and started leaking coolant. I kept driving to get to a safe place, and just when the Temp gauge got to red I turned off the engine.

I towed the Commander home and now it won’t start. I am getting a bunch of codes: P0117, P0004, P2A00, and U25E5

I hope I did not toast the engine, but I don’t think that is the case as I did not let it run on the red. I barely got the temp light on and I shut the engine off.

It cranks and kinda sputters but it is a no go

Please help !! I am troubleshooting as I write . THANKS

It is a 2006 Commander with the V8 Hemmi

Last edited by hzavarce; 07-30-2014 at 11:19 PM.
hzavarce is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 07-31-2014, 09:32 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34
Level up: 28% Level up: 28% Level up: 28%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
Please help !

I have a suspicion that it has something to do with the alarm. The reason I say that is beacuse the alarm no longer goes off like it used to. For example when I reconnect the battery or just try to open the door without deactivating with the FOB

Before in all of those condition the alarm will sound.

Thoughts ?
hzavarce is offline  
post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-02-2014, 04:03 PM
Senior Member
Points: 4,098, Level: 40 Points: 4,098, Level: 40 Points: 4,098, Level: 40
Level up: 74% Level up: 74% Level up: 74%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
Posts: 173
Have you tried a different key?

06 Hemi
Eric S is offline  
 
post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-03-2014, 06:17 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34
Level up: 28% Level up: 28% Level up: 28%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
yes, i have tried both keys. I also tried disconnecting the battery, both terminals for several minutes.

I drained the oil today and no signs of coolant. Spark plugs look OK and there is spark

I connected a 'fancy' code reader and got a bunch more codes and cleared all as well.

Any other thoughts ?

Thanks !
hzavarce is offline  
post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-04-2014, 01:54 PM
Senior Member
Points: 15,906, Level: 81 Points: 15,906, Level: 81 Points: 15,906, Level: 81
Level up: 12% Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Mongo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lusby, MD
Posts: 3,037
Ok, what were the new codes?

Did you look up what the P0117, P0004, P2A00, and U25E5 codes mean?

Your first step is identify what could be causing those codes and fixing them, clearing the code when you haven't fixed the problem doesn't do anything to fix the problem.

Likely the code comes back right away.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Mongo is offline  
post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-04-2014, 02:06 PM
Senior Member
Points: 15,906, Level: 81 Points: 15,906, Level: 81 Points: 15,906, Level: 81
Level up: 12% Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Mongo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lusby, MD
Posts: 3,037
P0004=Fuel Volume Regulator Control Circuit High
P0117=Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Low
P2A00=O2 Sensor Circuit Range/Performance (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

http://www.hallsautoonline.com/obd_i...efinitions.htm

The U25E5, the "U" means it has something to do with the vehicle Networks to communicate between electronic modules.

Have you looked over the wire harness on the motor and see if you melted any wires during the overheating?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Mongo is offline  
post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-04-2014, 02:12 PM
Senior Member
Points: 4,098, Level: 40 Points: 4,098, Level: 40 Points: 4,098, Level: 40
Level up: 74% Level up: 74% Level up: 74%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
Posts: 173
P0117- ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT LOW.
P0004 - Not on the list.
P2A00 - Not on the list.
P2A00 - Not on the list

How did you get these first codes? Seems the reader is giving the the wrong codes.

Did you write down the other codes before clearing them? Just because they are cleared does no mean the problem is repaired. It's just the computer letting you know what is not functioning properly. Most codes will not come back until you drive it again.

Seems like two separate issues...maybe.

Just to rule out overheat damage you should do a compression check.

On the right side of you dash above the temp gauge does a little red light turn on when you turn the key?

Just a long shot but try walking around your commander using the FOB to continually lock and unlock the doors.



06 Hemi
Eric S is offline  
post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-04-2014, 09:24 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34
Level up: 28% Level up: 28% Level up: 28%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
here are the other codes i got
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2014-08-02 15.39.58.jpg
Views:	804
Size:	501.3 KB
ID:	11386  
hzavarce is offline  
post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-04-2014, 09:26 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34 Points: 3,091, Level: 34
Level up: 28% Level up: 28% Level up: 28%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
I looked for burnt cables or something out of place, but it all seems pretty normal... due to the vast amount of codes I doubt that a bunch of things all the sudden broke... i think something in the computer went out of wack

Does any of those codes tell you something obvious ?
hzavarce is offline  
post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-05-2014, 07:47 AM
Senior Member
Points: 15,906, Level: 81 Points: 15,906, Level: 81 Points: 15,906, Level: 81
Level up: 12% Level up: 12% Level up: 12%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Mongo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lusby, MD
Posts: 3,037
P0004 = Fuel Volume Regulator Control Circuit High
P0117 = Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Low
P2A00 = O2 Sensor Circuit Range/Performance (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
U25E5 = ?
B212D = ign run only input circuit open
B1206 = EIC Switch-1 Assembly Circuit Open
B1204 = Fuel Sender Circuit Short To Ground
U1415 = ECM Data missing at Airbag
U1414 = Implausible/missing ECU network configuration data - stored in Airbag module
U0114 = FCAN Malfunction (VTM-4 Control Unit-PCM)

All these codes are generic definitions from google searches, they may or may NOT be the same for a Jeep.

Since you've cleared these codes, have you gone back and scanned again and see which ones have come back since clearing the codes?

But what this is telling me is that you have some serious problems with the electronic engine management, the modules are NOT talking to each other the bus and/or sensors are damaged or their circuits are NOT working correctly.

The B212D is a big one, if the Ignition Run Only Power Input Circuit is Open, then everything that is suppose to run when only the ignition switch is turned to run, will NOT be powered.

Have you gotten an "IOD Fuse Out" message in the EVIC?

Have checked every fuse to make sure you do NOT have any blown fuses? These new type of blade fuses, you can't tell by looking at them while they are inserted in the box, you have to pull them out (using pliers will really speed up the process) and hold them up to the light to see if the metal bridge is burned out. There are more than one fuse boxes in your vehicle, one or two in the engine compartment and another under the dash, there is a little door just above the driver's left foot that you have to open and look up.

If you have no blown fuses, I would look for the fusible link and test it with a multi-meter, replace it if its blown.

BTW, the labels molded into the covers of the Fuse Boxes are incorrect, do NOT refer to the labels on the underside of the cover, use the O.M. or Quick User's Guide in the glove box. There are NO spare fuses held in the fuse box, the label on the underside of the cover is wrong, I and other's have been burned by this, pull a fuse from one spot to replace a burnt fuse in another (regardless if it's labeled spare) will result in another set of equipment NOT running because its lost power from its fuse being pulled.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by Mongo; 08-05-2014 at 08:12 AM.
Mongo is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Jeep Commander Forums: Jeep Commander Forum > Jeep Commander Discussion > General Commander Discussion

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Commander Forums: Jeep Commander Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome