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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-01-2014, 09:23 PM Thread Starter
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Factory replacement suspension or small lift?

i just picked up a 2006 XK Limited 5.7l w/ QDII.

It has a bit of "float" in the suspension I've never had in my prior Jeeps. That said, this Jeep is the heaviest of the seven I've owned but I'm assuming it's just due to soft springs and shocks due to having 100k miles.

So I was thinking... Should I replace the suspension with fresh factory suspension or maybe just replace with 1-2" lift springs?
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My .02...If you're entertaining incurring the cost of replacing the factory shocks/struts/springs there really isn't any reason not to lift it. Go OME HD with some bigger tires, make it look like it should have from the factory, and be done.
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Agree with Grand Poobah. Just be prepared to replace stuff when you do it. I lifted mine 2 months ago and still finding stuff to replace. Luckily I am seeing the light at the end with only a few more bushings to go.
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Yeah, was kinda leaning toward the small lift as well given the effort/price anyway... just not sure I want a lift at all.

I'd probably learn toward OME. Have used their suspension products in the past and was pleased with the performance.

In terms of replacing things... given it's age and miles, I assume I'm going to replacing a few worn suspension parts at any rate, but I'm sure a lift would exacerbate the concern.
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Upper control arms, sway bar bushings, end links, and struts/shocks should improve things significantly. I replaced sway bar bushings & struts recently> made a big difference.
(i used MOOG poly bushings and bilstein 5100's set @ 1.5", which along with some stacked rear isolators leveled the Jeep out nicely)

I am still running stock springs, but many people have noticed improved ride and control with OME springs.

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My .02...If you're entertaining incurring the cost of replacing the factory shocks/struts/springs there really isn't any reason not to lift it. Go OME HD with some bigger tires, make it look like it should have from the factory, and be done.
Absolutely.

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After



An OME lift would be around an inch taller than my setup, my wife and kids are little, so more lift than that really wasn't a viable option for me without side steps.
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NOT trying to talk you out of a lift. BUT, its NOT likely your springs are shot after 100k miles, unless the suspension was abused to the point of damaging the springs.

I've had tires near their end of their tread life, make a vehicle feel like it was floating as well.

More likely just your strut/shocks are shot and maybe your sway bar bushings are shot as well, do an inspection and see if there is anything else that looks suspect.

If you're going to do a lift anyway, then by all means do it. But if you want the OEM ride back, it might just be a set of new struts/shocks and maybe swaybar bushings.

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NOT trying to talk you out of a lift. BUT, its NOT likely your springs are shot after 100k miles, unless the suspension was abused to the point of damaging the springs.

I've had tires near their end of their tread life, make a vehicle feel like it was floating as well.

More likely just your strut/shocks are shot and maybe your sway bar bushings are shot as well, do an inspection and see if there is anything else that looks suspect.

If you're going to do a lift anyway, then by all means do it. But if you want the OEM ride back, it might just be a set of new struts/shocks and maybe swaybar bushings.
I would have to agree, spring isolators, sway bar bushings, and shocks/struts would be plenty to get your ride back. That was all that I replaced as my springs are in fine shape @100k. But if your considering a lift anyways, then you may as well do it all @ once.

BTW my sway bar bushings appeared fine externally, but I had some front end noise, (rattling over small bumps/uneven road/railroad tracks etc) this persisted after the strut replacement and replacing the bushings fixed that. They are ~$10 @ rock auto for MOOG poly replacements. Further inspection of the inside of the original bushings show distortion on mine.
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Good advice on the front end bases components. I'm not interested in rushing into a lift. Perhaps I'll start with new struts and swaybar bushings.

I've heard numerous reports of the knocking sound I observed being attributed to the swaybar bushings as the bushing opening on the OEM part is up against the frame.
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I've heard numerous reports of the knocking sound I observed being attributed to the swaybar bushings as the bushing opening on the OEM part is up against the frame.
No, the opening in the bushing for the bar wears and elongates, giving the bar room to move around. When you sway one side to the other, the bar goes from pushing on the bushing in one direction to the other, with the elongated opening, the bar moves within the opening and when it hits the end of the opening it "Thunks".

The sway bar does a lot to make the suspension feel tight and responsive to steering. If the swaybar is loose, it can make the suspension feel like its floating (other things can as well).

But if your getting a thunking sound if you sway from one side to the other, you need to replace the sway bar bushings. Do that and see if the suspension firms up for you.

As well, what brand/model and size tire do you have and how much wear is on them?
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