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Above I posted a pic of the tire in the fender.
The pinch weld is towards the center of the fender liner? That could be part of the issue, the liner bulges out a bit.
The tire rubs some on the fender liner and the edge of the bumper. The rub isn't terrible as long as I'm careful, I enjoy driving it too much to quit! I think in my case just a few inches of lift should do the trick, springs are on their way.

It was raining too much to get a fender/axle measurement this afternoon.
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The pic too close, I can't tell if its the front or rear of the wheel well/fender or even if its a front or rear wheel.


Do a forum search. I swore there was a "How To" post about doing the pinch mod. IIRC, the seam is behind the plastic liner, you have to peel it back and fold over that welded seam that extends in the wheel.


There is also a "Tire" thread, listing the different tires and sizes and other combinations with lift, wheel spacers or pinchweld mod for them fitting.


Lifting it should get a little room to prevent rubbing. But depending on the lift kit, the wheels can still travel to the same point the tires rubbed. So a lift only stops the rubbing during normal driving.


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Yeah, as someone else mentioned I wasn't expecting so much drama going from a 245x65x17 to a 245x70, maybe the all terrain pathfinder is unusually tall.
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With my powers of deduction I'm going to assume that's the passenger side front in the picture. You have an ungodly amount of tire stuffed in that fender well - such to the point that I wonder if your jeep has been lowered in the front.

Mine had some killer rake back when I got it, but I stuffed and ran 265/70s at stock height for a full winter and half of a spring season. From what I can see in that picture, I had more room to turn that you do, though I was running 1.5" spacers on stock wheels. But a 265/70 also specs out to being a 31.6" tall tire, I'll attach a pic at the end.

Get out there with a tape measure and take some real measurements like ground to top of tire, to judge the true tire height. Then do center of the hub to the fender lip - and take a few more pictures. It is very weird to me that you're having this much issue going 1 size up when I was running 265/70s on clapped out 120k stock junk.

edit: Being it's not in the picture, humor me and take a photo of the tire size too. I could see a 245/75 being that tall.

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With my powers of deduction I'm going to assume that's the passenger side front in the picture. You have an ungodly amount of tire stuffed in that fender well - such to the point that I wonder if your jeep has been lowered in the front.

Mine had some killer rake back when I got it, but I stuffed and ran 265/70s at stock height for a full winter and half of a spring season. From what I can see in that picture, I had more room to turn that you do, though I was running 1.5" spacers on stock wheels. But a 265/70 also specs out to being a 31.6" tall tire, I'll attach a pic at the end.

Get out there with a tape measure and take some real measurements like ground to top of tire, to judge the true tire height. Then do center of the hub to the fender lip - and take a few more pictures. It is very weird to me that you're having this much issue going 1 size up when I was running 265/70s on clapped out 120k stock junk.

edit: Being it's not in the picture, humor me and take a photo of the tire size too. I could see a 245/75 being that tall.
Agreed. I am very surprised to see how close those 245/70r17s look

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Kurt, you're right about the 1st photo. I was able to slim up some photos enough to attach before and after shots. The aftermarket wheels have roughly 1.5" maybe 2" of offset.

I'll get some measurements and another photo.
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Tire measures 29 and 5/8" and from center of the axle to the fender lip 18" so I seem to have some sag based on what others have stated. The hub actually has a centered slot I could hook the tape-measure to so it is a good measurement. Also, attached a photo to humor Kurt
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Kurt, you're right about the 1st photo. I was able to slim up some photos enough to attach before and after shots. The aftermarket wheels have roughly 1.5" maybe 2" of offset.

I'll get some measurements and another photo.
Ah the significant increase in offset can do that. The tire now turns in a wider arc than it did with the stock wheels.
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Ah the significant increase in offset can do that. The tire now turns in a wider arc than it did with the stock wheels.
After some research I believe I lost 1.65" of positive offset and the wheel is a half inch wider than stock.
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I forget, is positive moving the wheel centerline closer to the center of the vehicle? Or is that negative offset?


Obviously, if your new wheels different offset has moved the wheel centerline in by 1.65", you can get a wheel spacer to move them out to close to the original position, 1.5" or 2.0", maybe there's a 1.75"?
If your new wheels different offset has moved the wheel centerline out by 1.65"? Nothing comes to mind to remedy that easily, other than getting new wheels, or lifting it.


Someone already mentioned it, but sometimes if you move the wheel out to far, that creates rub, because of the bigger arc the outer edge swings.


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