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im lost as **** with lift kits and need help

Hello Commander forum.
So im new here and feel super overwhelmed with all of the available information. Im trying to upgrade my 06 big time and figured that I would start with a lift kit.
Here is what I need to know about the RR lift:
Now I originally just figured I would get a 2.25 RR lift kit but I am a super car novice.. I know that its always best to get a suspension lift, is the RR lift a suspension lift?
Also I dont know what else I need to get in order for my jeep to perform the best with the lift.. Like do I need to get the lift with the Rancho adjustable shocks? and do I need to also get the front struts?
Now I need help with the OME lift:
I have read a decent number of discussions and it sounds like everyone loves the OME lift and doesnt seem to have any problems with it.
I would love to get this lift but im not sure where to get it.. all I can find is the lift for the WK not XK.
If I decide to get this lift will the 2 inch be able to clear some 265 70 17s?
Im hoping to purchase all of the parts myself and having a garage install it all for me due to my lack of tools. I want to be able to show up and have every part I need for them to install instead of them getting half way done only to find out that something doesnt fit right or that I need another part.
I need all of the help I can get.. If theres anything you recommend getting with either of these lifts please let me know. I just want to have a nice bad ass jeep that performs to the best of its ability
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Hello Commander forum.
So im new here and feel super overwhelmed with all of the available information. Im trying to upgrade my 06 big time and figured that I would start with a lift kit.
Here is what I need to know about the RR lift:
Now I originally just figured I would get a 2.25 RR lift kit but I am a super car novice.. I know that its always best to get a suspension lift, is the RR lift a suspension lift?
Also I dont know what else I need to get in order for my jeep to perform the best with the lift.. Like do I need to get the lift with the Rancho adjustable shocks? and do I need to also get the front struts?
Now I need help with the OME lift:
I have read a decent number of discussions and it sounds like everyone loves the OME lift and doesnt seem to have any problems with it.
I would love to get this lift but im not sure where to get it.. all I can find is the lift for the WK not XK.
If I decide to get this lift will the 2 inch be able to clear some 265 70 17s?
Im hoping to purchase all of the parts myself and having a garage install it all for me due to my lack of tools. I want to be able to show up and have every part I need for them to install instead of them getting half way done only to find out that something doesnt fit right or that I need another part.
I need all of the help I can get.. If theres anything you recommend getting with either of these lifts please let me know. I just want to have a nice bad ass jeep that performs to the best of its ability
I can answer some of your questions.

I don't know much about the 2.25 inch RR lift, but from what I understand, it is very similar to the 2 inch Rough Country lift, which is what I have. You don't have to change your shocks unless you choose to as the Rough Country lift kit is designed to work with your stock suspension parts.

As far as the Rancho shocks go, you can always add them if you want to, I know a couple of guys on the forum that are running the 9000's even though technically, they are not supposed to fit Commanders. Also alot of guys run Bilstein HD 4600's or 5100's because they are significantly cheaper than the Ranchos but are still a very good quality off-road shock. I am running the 4600's in the rear - most guys run 5100's in the back in case they want to go with a bigger lift down the road, the 5100's are a longer shock. My next move will be the 4 inch super-lift - which comes with new rear shocks anyway, so for now, the Bilstein HD 4600's work great with my set-up. But again you don't have to change your shocks unless you think they need to be replaced because your current ones are bad.

Any lift kit designed to fit the WK should fit the XK as I am fairly certain, the suspension systems of both are identical and I believe even the chassis are the same.

You can fit 265/70R17's without a lift - it's very tight - but they do fit. So, with a 2 - 2.25 inch lift, yes, you can definitely run 265/70R17's - same size tire I am running.

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You can really be creative with your lift. There are many options. Many guys run OME HD. However, it depends on what you intend to do with your XK. If your going to wheel often enough, do a full suspension lift like OME or SL. If you just want some extra height, looks, etc. Do a spacer lift.

I have a modified OME HD lift. This includes...

Front: OME HD Springs, OME shocks, RR spacer.

Rear: OME HD Springs, Rancho Adjustable shocks, and RC spacer.

This gets me a full suspension for wheeling achieving hair over 3" of lift.

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You can really be creative with your lift. There are many options. Many guys run OME HD. However, it depends on what you intend to do with your XK. If your going to wheel often enough, do a full suspension lift like OME or SL. If you just want some extra height, looks, etc. Do a spacer lift.

I have a modified OME HD lift. This includes...

Front: OME HD Springs, OME shocks, RR spacer.

Rear: OME HD Springs, Rancho Adjustable shocks, and RC spacer.

This gets me a full suspension for wheeling achieving hair over 3" of lift.

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I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Core, between the 2 inch lift and my 265/70R17's I am sitting at about 3 inches over stock ride height.

I have been thinking about doing the 4 inch superlift - but the more I am thinking about it, the more I am leaning towards a custom steel front bumper over the superlift.


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The RRO is a spacer suspension lift. I have it on my XK. I think if I was to do it all over again I would go with the OME and that is what I plan to do on my WK. I originally was going to go with the Superlift but I just can't spend that kind of jack on it with so much else to buy. Every lift for the XK/WK platforms are suspension lifts. Some good sites to check out are:
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I have been seriously considering getting the 4 inch super-lift. A very good friend of mine who drives a land cruiser is trying to talk me out of it. I think I will hold off and ponder this for a while. I am already sitting 3 - 3 1/2 inches above factory ride height. I don't know if I want be any higher than that.
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I have been seriously considering getting the 4 inch super-lift. A very good friend of mine who drives a land cruiser is trying to talk me out of it. I think I will hold off and ponder this for a while. I am already sitting 3 - 3 1/2 inches above factory ride height. I don't know if I want be any higher than that.
I'm curious... Why is he talking you out of it?
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I'm curious... Why is he talking you out of it?
In a nutshell, he seems to think that the higher the lift the more stress you put on the other supporting components (ball joints etc) because of the drastic changes in suspension geometry from the original factory specs.

There may be some merit to what he's saying - maybe not because I know the majority of the supporting suspension components will be upgraded as well.

My concern right now is I am already 3 - 3 1/4 inches above stock ride height and as it is between my lift and larger tires.

I have to be careful about where I drive and what I try to drive under as it is.

Do I really want to spend another $3,000 - $3,500 (between parts & labor) just to raise my Commander another inch or inch and a half?

And it will actually cost me even more than that because I would have to get new rims and tires also, which would probably be another $2,000 - $2,500.00. Now you are talking about $6,000.00

How will it affect the ride? Better or worse? I'm guessing it's probably going to be a stiffer, rougher ride - but I don't really know.

I don't think the expense justifies the return.

Honestly after thinking about all of that extra expense, I'm leaning towards not doing it and more towards a custom front bumper with a winch.


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In a nutshell, he seems to think that the higher the lift the more stress you put on the other supporting components (ball joints etc) because of the drastic changes in suspension geometry from the original factory specs.

There may be some merit to what he's saying - maybe not because I know the majority of the supporting suspension components will be upgraded as well.

My concern right now is I am already 3 - 3 1/4 inches above stock ride height and as it is between my lift and larger tires.

I have to be careful about where I drive and what I try to drive under as it is.

Do I really want to spend another $3,000 - $3,500 (between parts & labor) just to raise my Commander another inch or inch and a half?

And it will actually cost me even more than that because I would have to get new rims and tires also, which would probably be another $2,000 - $2,500.00. Now you are talking about $6,000.00

How will it affect the ride? Better or worse? I'm guessing it's probably going to be a stiffer, rougher ride - but I don't really know.

I don't think the expense justifies the return.

Honestly after thinking about all of that extra expense, I'm leaning towards not doing it and more towards a custom front bumper with a winch.

The ride will actually improve. The whole point of the superlift is that it corrects front end geometry while lifting, whereas low budget lifts do not. You will gain droop in the front that was lost with your current lift. Besides the higher CoG your ride will be more like the factory ride.


How are you lifted 3+ inches? Oh you are counting tire height increase as well. Your current suspension lift is more like ~2". With a 4" suspension lift you will have room for taller tires, (34-35") which will of course lift you further, greatly increasing ground clearance and flex.

Several people have gone from modified OME lifts (3"+) to a superlift and noted improved ride quality. One in particular that i can think of is omelet

Here is the point in his build thread where he started to install his SL...

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/o...4/index50.html

Its a HUGE thread.

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The ride will actually improve. The whole point of the superlift is that it corrects front end geometry while lifting, whereas low budget lifts do not. You will gain droop in the front that was lost with your current lift. Besides the higher CoG your ride will be more like the factory ride.


How are you lifted 3+ inches? Oh you are counting tire height increase as well. Your current suspension lift is more like ~2". With a 4" suspension lift you will have room for taller tires, (34-35") which will of course lift you further, greatly increasing ground clearance and flex.

Several people have gone from modified OME lifts (3"+) to a superlift and noted improved ride quality. One in particular that i can think of is omelet

Here is the point in his build thread where he started to install his SL...

Omelet's Build Thread (aka The Bison)! - Page 50 - JeepForum.com

Its a HUGE thread.
I hear you lucky, just don't see myself dumping $6,000 on a super-lift and new tires and rims.

At least not any time soon.


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