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ok so after playing in the mud last night with my buddy i realised i seriously need to sit down a figure out my front tow hook situation (or lack there of).

can you guys post up pix of your tow hooks/ rings i am going to use my factory bumper and dont want to add a matrix or bull bar...

and if some one has a really good picture of the factory tow hook mounts with the bumper on that would be great

im kind of thinking of fabbing a bracket that mounts on the factory tow hook mounts but uses D-shackles..
 

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Type Hooks into the search feature and you will find lots of pictures. Use advanced and select title only.
 

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Just as an FYI, last I heard from Russ he's going to start offering the Matrix basic again, which is nothing like the full Matrix I have. All the basic kit does is offer the brackets to mount up D-rings (and the optional 2" receiver down the road, if you'd like).

Sounds like exactly what you're thinking of fabbing, and it'd save you the time. Just a thought.
 

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Odd, I thought all Commanders had the 2 front tow hooks standard. Is it just the Limiteds with them or what? I have 2 black ones on the front of mine and doubt the last owner put them on.
 

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Ha I wish, not even Limited models got tow hooks as a standard. It was an option just like the skid plate package. I just hate to think I have to spend over $100 to get two front hooks.

edit: Those D-ring shackles look pretty nice and about the same price as the OEM hooks. Are there any pro's or con's to a D-ring set up over the OEM style of open hooks?
 

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i forgot about those...i still wanna go with the shackles tho...hey im done there for May long.. gunna do some camping/ atving out a maclean creek..
let me know if you change your mind. If you go to Maclean for May long you better be early because half the city of Calgary will be out there.........its a sh!t show.
 

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Those D-ring shackles look pretty nice and about the same price as the OEM hooks. Are there any pro's or con's to a D-ring set up over the OEM style of open hooks?
This is a good question. My $.02:

Tow hooks are much easier to use -- no pin to pull in order to slip on a tow line -- but that also makes the line more likely to slip loose. For this reason, D-rings are essentially more safe, since the pull line cannot slip off the shackle. This is especially true of angled-line pulls, when the pulling isn't made straight-on with the direction of the vehicle -- and the majority of pulls are angled-line of one degree or another.

I also think D-rings also look cooler. :)

If I was to do it again I would go for these with Shackles.
http://www.saguaro4xcomponents.com/i...mqjbvss9t6ucr0
Unless I had money to get a Matrix
If the Saguaro kit includes nothing but what their website says it does, I would personally recommend considering other options. The Matrix and the OEM tow hooks utilize Mopar's backing plate bracket for a good reason: because Jeep's engineers know that at heavy load you'll rip accessories right off without it.

(Looking at Saguaro's picture more closely it looks like you might be able to get Mopar's backing plate and use it with the Saguaro kit -- thus mimicking 4xGuard's set-up. No guarantees on that, but it could maybe work.)
 

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^You do make a good point. I just compared the bracket set up and the Mopar's "backing plate" definitely makes it look stronger.
 

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The Matrix and the OEM tow hooks utilize Mopar's backing plate bracket for a good reason
Are you talking about the small tabs that hold the studs through the frame or the plate the hooks are bolted to?
I feel that the Large bolts that Saguaro supplies may also spread the load just as well as the mopar Tabs can. Here are the instructions for Saguaro.
http://www.saguaro4xcomponents.com/images/Install%20Inst/WK%20Install%20Inst/S4CWK001.pdf
I feel the Mopar tabs maybe a installation convenience so that a tech/assembly line worker would not have to put a wrench up inside the "frame" to lock down the bolts? But I think those mopar tabs would work The same holes are being used, and at $30 for all 4 not too expensive.
The other route to getting shackles is to use The rampage shackles,
http://www.amazon.com/Rampage-505505-Chrome-Universal-Shackle/dp/B0017KOPZI and take apart the stock tow hook assembly using the hook mounting plate and frame tabs with the new rampage kit installed. Thus ending up with Saguaro's kit but for more $ if you dont have hooks already.
My .02
But beleive me if I had $400 to spend on an acc. right now it would be the matrix with the grille hoop and d-ring, real sweet, sigh..maybe soon. My eight month old and seven year old need toys first.
One thing I know we can all agree on is that it sure is nice to see more parts becoming avail. for our XK's hopefully all are made with the same quality and safety standards of others.
 

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Ha I wish, not even Limited models got tow hooks as a standard. It was an option just like the skid plate package. I just hate to think I have to spend over $100 to get two front hooks.
I got ya. I guess the previous owner choose the option which is odd since it was a fleet vehicle. :icon_confused: It's nice to have them if I need them though. I REALLY wish they would have bought the skip plates though. Those are more expensive and I'd probably use them more. lol
 

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Are you talking about the small tabs that hold the studs through the frame or the plate the hooks are bolted to?
I'm talking about the whole backing plate those studs are hooked to in the frame rail; I wouldn't feel like simple washers would spread the load quite as sufficiently. The stud plate is also a convenience, to be sure, but I think it is a functional improvement.

However, seeing those instructions (thanks!), it does indeed look like you could buy the Mopar bracket and use it with the Saguaro mounting. At worst, you'd have to bend away the bracket tabs, but that's not a big deal to its functionality (just to its convenience).

I wish I knew what 4xGuard was going to charge for its Matrix Basic, which is what they're knocking off -- 4xG's adds a bit more adjustability and has a slightly more aggressive look up front, but they're otherwise about identical. It'd make it easier to compare them. The only other difference, I guess, is that you can add other parts of the Matrix to its Basic platform as you can afford them -- if indeed that's something a person is interested in. (I'm working on a cool "trail light" kit for this, myself.)

One thing I know we can all agree on is that it sure is nice to see more parts becoming avail. for our XK's hopefully all are made with the same quality and safety standards of others.
Absolutely, man!
 

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Odd, I thought all Commanders had the 2 front tow hooks standard. Is it just the Limiteds with them or what? I have 2 black ones on the front of mine and doubt the last owner put them on.
Nope: Same here Limited with no Tow Hooks and no Skid Plates.

I made up brakets and attached them to the stock mounts plus my hidden front reciver/winch mounts

 

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Hey CanadianCommander, I just saw this on the 4xGuard website:

"Limited time offer on Matrix: $50 refund with purchase of Mounting Platform with at least 2 Matrix accessories (Hoop, Rail or Receiver Kits)!"

If you're already getting the Matrix and the Receiver Kit, might be a good time to also get the front hoop or something to qualify for the $50 rebate.
 
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