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was just wondering with predictions of fuel prices getting close to $4 later this year at what point would you retreat and be forced to get something more fuel efficient.
I ponder this as I would really like to trade to an 08 Limited or Overland with a Hemi but if gas nears $4 would that be a dumb move? Resale is pretty poor now but that could really financially hurt if you needed to trade or sell and no one wanted a gas guzzler.
What's the options then at that point? A Liberty or Wrangler Unlimited don't really get that much better mileage.
Just some things to think about. :confused:
 

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I have placed an order for a 2008 smart (40+ mpg) so that when gas does go up I can use it as my primary vehicle and the Jeep for fun.
 

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a49erFootballFan said:
I have placed an order for a 2008 smart (40+ mpg) so that when gas does go up I can use it as my primary vehicle and the Jeep for fun.

how funny.... so have I
 

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if gas climbs higher and higher, bailing out of your SUV wont help, cause you will loose so much money on your sale....IF you are bailing out, who do you think will by your used SUV....I would say if you need a vehicle that gets good mileage, get a scooter.....my Commander gets 18-19 most of the time...and get 22 on the good days....thats pretty good concidering the safety it has for my family.....Those tiny care that get good mileage are death traps....people dont live through accidents in them.....i have seen it first hand.....Can you put a price on your life......You need gas to get from point a to point b.....it sucks that the price is getting higher, but peopl might just try driving7-8 MPH slower.... you will gain back most of your mileage....and balance it out....Our hwys her are 75 mph....people drive 80....sure milege sucks....if you just drive 65, you will get better mileage.....in the end i think people are pay more for "time" than fuel.....I wont a bail i love my jeep and love what it can to when i need it....as prices go up i will just be more selective of where i go.......Plus we just got a patriot....it gets good mileage....and has all the jeep qualities.....
 

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We all were already fore-warn on these beast machines. The price you pay for a vehicle like this, you should expect the price is well worth the safety. Although, you get a SmartCar, and you're most likely jeopardizing your own safety. I say tough it out. Plus, even if you 'bail', for sure the resale value will hurt you dearly. I rather take the hit in the pockets, than end up in the ER.
 

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XKJeep06: I am not getting rid of my Commander, The smart is an additional vehicle. Also it is just as safe as any car on tHe road, it had to pass the 2008 safetly tests and has all the same airbags, anti-lock breaks, MDS, ESP, etc.

Hemi05WJ: when did you reserve yours? I reserved on June 30 and would hope to confirm this month, I am getting the Blue/Black/Black passion.
 

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Even at 12.7 MPG and $5/gallon the price of gas doesn't really bother me.
I only drive 14 miles round trip to the office and average 900 miles/month total.
I absolutely love our '06 LTD Hemi
 

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i have my 300ZX for gas mileage. they are fairly safe. i have seen them t-boned and in other wrecks, they hold up very well for a sports car. i get around 30-33 mpg with my 3.0L v6, i use cruise all the time.

but i also decided to take a new job back in wyoming. i currently work for a coal mine in the engineering department. i like what i do, but i travel 90 miles a day.

my new job, i will have a company vehicle, i'll be working on my Professional Surveyors License, and i will probably only live a couple of miles from work. i won't have to travel every week for an hour to stock up on groceries as well. there is a walmart in the town i will live in.

just buy an old beater that you don't care to much about that gets good mileage and is comfy. thats why i like my old Z. its a great highway car, handles well, goes faster then i need it to, and is fairly safe.
 

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I won't be bailing on my Commander either, as gas prices go up and if I start feeling the pinch my answer will be to drive less and go slower. We have a Mini for commuting into Philly and little errands; the Commander for leisure, fun and family...
 

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I wouldn't sell my Commander due to gas prices. I don't drive it enough to make an impact (over 15 months later and just hit 6000 miles on the odometer yesterday).

Even at $4.00 a gallon:
6000 miles / 16mpg (rounded down) = 375 gallons * $4.00/gallon = $1500.00 / 15 months = $100/month

The Commander is used mainly for road trips with it being driven to work maybe once a month.
 

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Right now I spend about $160 a month on gas for the Commander and about $80 for the Magnum.

I would just bring lunch to work and my wife would have to change her hours so she could take our daughter to school and still make it to work on time. That would save me half a tank of gas per week easy.

I do think we would end up in a recession if it ever goes that high. We are teetering on that now anyway.
 

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I spend $50 a week now, roughly. To make up for the raping I would take if I sold/traded it in, gas would have to be near $5 a gallon and my value would have to be the same as today.

If it gets past $3.50 again, I'll just drive the wifes car more. I hate it, hate it with a passion, but it does get 23 in town and 28 on the highway.

I'm sure I can drive less.
 

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My plan is to hang onto the XK until gas prices are crazy, then everyone else will switch to electric and gas prices will drop to $.50 gallon and I will laugh at everyone who switched!
 

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I am not thinking of selling my current XK but I do have reservations at this point about going out and buying another one.
I will probably always have a car payment of some sort but I don't like the idea of getting upside down though. I like knowing though if I had to sell it for some reason whether it was loss of job or health issues I could sell it or trade it and not loose thousands.

I think mid-size SUV's (Explorers, TrailBlazers, Grand Cherokee) are probably having the worst depreciation of any vehicles right now. They are becoming like the big old gas guzzlers of the 1970's. Anyone that was alive then knows when gas shot up you couldn't hardly give away them away.

I think if things stay they way they are right now and gas remains under $4 things won't get much worse but if through a series of bad events (hurricanes, terrorist attacks, middle east issues, refinerary fires etc) and gas goes over $4 people would start to panic and dumping their gas guzzlers would be first on their list.

When gas shot up a couple years ago to record levels we starting seeing this happen.

I really love my Commander and I only have 2 1/2 years to go on payments. I would really like to get a nice used 08 but I have to wonder if that is financially the smartest thing to do
 

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a49erFootballFan said:
I have placed an order for a 2008 smart (40+ mpg) so that when gas does go up I can use it as my primary vehicle and the Jeep for fun.
I don't know how many miles per year you drive, but if you're an average driver, it is going to take you YEARS of gas savings to break even on the money you pay to buy, insure, and maintain a second vehicle.

Did you run the numbers before you decided to buy a second vehicle?
 

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...Also it is just as safe as any car on tHe road, it had to pass the 2008 safetly tests and has all the same airbags, anti-lock breaks, MDS, ESP, etc.

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Say what? It's as safe as any car on the road? Air bags and ABS aren't going to help you when you get rear-ended by an inattentive Commander driver coming up behind you while you're sitting at a red light!

Not much of a rear crumple zone there, huh? LOL

 

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I was buying used gas guzzlers for next to nothing in the early 80's. I got a 'fully loaded '78 Mercury Cougar XR7 at a Subaru Dealer for next to nothing just to get that Monster off their lot. What I lost at the pump, I more than made up for on the sales price. The luxury and security were bonuses.

Same thing with the Commander - to Jeeps chagrin they came up with a luxurious, safe as a bank, 4x4 gas guzzler just as oil was heading for $100 dollars a barrel. But don't forget that fact is factored into the original purchase price. Many of the folks here recognized that opportunity and pounced on the great value. Sticker prices of $43,000 and sale prices of $33,000 are the norm around here, used buyers reap even better savings.

So this could be just that oppurtunity to get that car of your dreams, Dealers are going to haggle and just not point to the posted sticker price like they do on the Smarts and what not. If you do trade in the Commander trade in like for like - ie don't sell your land yacht Mercury to a Subaru dealer who is going to kill you on your trade in, trade it into a Jeep dealer where the depreciation is likely a wash.
 

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I don't know how many miles per year you drive, but if you're an average driver, it is going to take you YEARS of gas savings to break even on the money you pay to buy, insure, and maintain a second vehicle.

Did you run the numbers before you decided to buy a second vehicle?
I have 4 cars already, One more is not going to kill me. I would rather spend less money on gas and have a fun car to do that in. The Commander has it's purpose and the smart has it's. The wife and kids always have the others.
 

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Say what? It's as safe as any car on the road? Air bags and ABS aren't going to help you when you get rear-ended by an inattentive Commander driver coming up behind you while you're sitting at a red light!

Not much of a rear crumple zone there, huh? LOL

Even a Commander into a tree can kill you, that's just a risk of driving. The smart is not comparable to a SUV, but it is as safe as any other small car.
 
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