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Hi all, newbie here. I have owned Jeeps wrangler before, but this is my first Commander (bigger family - needed the 7 seats)...
Anyway, I got me a 2010 Jeep commander a couple of month ago, I'm pretty happy with it so far, already took it camping with the family. But I have to lift this car and put some bigger tires soon to fall in love with it completely.

So, I was simply gonna go with a RC lift kit, but I decided to do some research first, and now I'm pretty confused :|

Options:

Should I go with the 2" RC kit and replace the shocks at the same time?
Should I go with the 2" RC kit and replace the shocks later?
Do I need to replace the springs?
Should I go with the Old Man Emu kit (high price) but replace it all at once? is it worth it?

All I want is bigger tires, a leveled jeep, and a smooth ride... I don't want to feel every bump in the road.

Thanks for all of your suggestion!!! :grin2:
 

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Hay,

Welcome to the forum. which trim do you have on your XK, is it the hemi, how many miles do you have on it?

for a simple lift you can go with the spacer lift

RC & Rusty advertise a 2" lift

Rockyroad advertises a 2.25" Lift

your ride will eventually start sagging so you might need new shocks (depending on milage)

I recommend the Aftermarket UCA for lifted XKs, JBA has one and so does Rocky road, I have the JBA one.

I have the full OME HD lift and it is a stiffer ride.
 

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Hay,

Welcome to the forum. which trim do you have on your XK, is it the hemi, how many miles do you have on it?

for a simple lift you can go with the spacer lift

RC & Rusty advertise a 2" lift

Rockyroad advertises a 2.25" Lift

your ride will eventually start sagging so you might need new shocks (depending on milage)

I recommend the Aftermarket UCA for lifted XKs, JBA has one and so does Rocky road, I have the JBA one.

I have the full OME HD lift and it is a stiffer ride.
I got the Sports version with the smaller engine. 120K miles on it. It runs strong, but I can feel every bump in the road.
If I have to replace the shocks and/or the springs eventually, I was wondering if I should just go ahead and bite the bullet and install the OME kit that comes with all the parts? Old Man Emu Jeep Commander XK Medium Load Suspension Kit
 

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If you do go with a full OME kit then I would recommend the MD kit. I have the HD kit on mine and it's a bumpy ride in the city, it's a little stiff for the family. The OME kits are totally worth it and I feel it's the proper way to lift our Commanders. Spacer lifts maintain the factory ride and if you're going to disassemble the front suspension to add the spacers you might as well replace whatever is in your budget and especially if it looks like they've never been replaced before considering your mileage. For example, you might not need new coils with the spacer lift but you would benefit from some good Bilstein shocks and struts. You might also consider new sway bar bushings and check your tie rod end links. It also wouldn't hurt to see how bad your ball joints are.

It is recommended, but not required, to use aftermarket upper control arms such as the Jeep by Al ones so that it corrects the angle on the upper ball joint and relieves some stress on it when lifting our Commanders.

Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide.
 

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If you do go with a full OME kit then I would recommend the MD kit. I have the HD kit on mine and it's a bumpy ride in the city, it's a little stiff for the family. The OME kits are totally worth it and I feel it's the proper way to lift our Commanders. Spacer lifts maintain the factory ride and if you're going to disassemble the front suspension to add the spacers you might as well replace whatever is in your budget and especially if it looks like they've never been replaced before considering your mileage. For example, you might not need new coils with the spacer lift but you would benefit from some good Bilstein shocks and struts. You might also consider new sway bar bushings and check your tie rod end links. It also wouldn't hurt to see how bad your ball joints are.

It is recommended, but not required, to use aftermarket upper control arms such as the Jeep by Al ones so that it corrects the angle on the upper ball joint and relieves some stress on it when lifting our Commanders.

Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide.
Thanks for the tip. I'm convinced and will order my OME Kit this week. I'll check for the bushings, tie rod end links and ball joints cost and see if I can afford them right now, any recommendations?

Thanks again!!
 

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I received the 2" Old Man EMU kit yesterday! I'll attempt installation this weekend... Can't wait to get the new tires!!!
 

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Hey man, I went with the rough country 2" lift. It's just spacers but made a huge difference on my commander. I did it myself and kept going back and forth on the RC 2" and rocky road 2 1/4" but after a month of research I went with the rough country. As I'm sure you've noticed, the stock commander sits "nose heavy" which i wasn't a fan of. But both kits are spaced lifts which use your stock suspension and don't require replacing your arm bars or other mods. I actually really like the rough country, it doesn't ride stiff and even though it says it's a 2", it raises the front about 3.5" with 2" in the back and evens out the dive. It SUCKED to install myself (as all lifts will) and the videos/instructions aren't exactly what is required to get it on but now that it's done, I would recommend the rough country 2" and it's cheap. Like $150 cheap with good quality parts. Hope that helps! Good luck


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+1 on OME lift kits, I've met couple of guys on them and are very impressed. A new upper control arms will make it even better, should be worth adding while you are there. Update us how it feels.
 

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+1 on OME lift kits, I've met couple of guys on them and are very impressed. A new upper control arms will make it even better, should be worth adding while you are there. Update us how it feels.
I just googled the "upper control arms"... some go for around $60 and some for around $450... :surprise:
I notice the most expensive ones are recommend for vehicles with a lift, but, is it really worth spending that much money for something its not even broke? What else would I gain by changing this? better ride perhaps?

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I just googled the "upper control arms"... some go for around $60 and some for around $450... :surprise:
I notice the most expensive ones are recommend for vehicles with a lift, but, is it really worth spending that much money for something its not even broke? What else would I gain by changing this? better ride perhaps?

Thanks!
The stock will eventually give out. It will happen on a down travel event, especially if you add larger tires. The upper arms are made for the weight of original equipment and angles that are supported by the original design. All of that goes out the window once you lift and throw on those big beef eaters that hurl mud at all the little grass eating leaf cars.

They are not cheap, but what is your plan for the rig really? I am going to keep mine until the roof falls off and then maybe call it a convertible.

Do you need them right this second? no. Do you hit the rocks a lot? if that is a not really, then again not a super huge need right now.
I you do plan to trail the more exotic trails, then I would invest. If you plan to keep all four tires on the ground when trail driving, then you will be fine for many miles and smiles.

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I got the Sports version with the smaller engine. 120K miles on it. It runs strong, but I can feel every bump in the road.
If I have to replace the shocks and/or the springs eventually, I was wondering if I should just go ahead and bite the bullet and install the OME kit that comes with all the parts? Old Man Emu Jeep Commander XK Medium Load Suspension Kit
I was looking at this suspension kit, is it a lift, or just replacement components?
 

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I was looking at this suspension kit, is it a lift, or just replacement components?
With this particular lift, it's most likely the new springs that are providing the lift.

New Shocks typically will not provide any lift unless they are specifically designed as load-leveling shocks.
 

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The stock will eventually give out. It will happen on a down travel event, especially if you add larger tires. The upper arms are made for the weight of original equipment and angles that are supported by the original design. All of that goes out the window once you lift and throw on those big beef eaters that hurl mud at all the little grass eating leaf cars.

Dave
It's not a necessity to replace the factory UCA's straight away, just because you get a lift and bigger tires.

Is it a good idea to do it - yes probably - but it's not a necessity.

I have the 2 inch RC lift with 32" tires and I have been driving around on the stock UCA's with no issues at all for 2 years.

Yes, I have upgraded my shocks, struts and rear coil springs but I don't think that has that much bearing on the longevity of the stock UCA's.

I also have 3 years driving experience driving a 2008 Grand Cherokee with a 2 inch RC lift and larger tires with stock UCA's and a totally stock suspension system and I never had a problem.

Will the stock UCA's give out eventually with a lift and bigger tires?

Sure eventually, just like any other OEM part - but are the stock UCA's something you really have to worry about, as a weak point in the suspension system just because you got a lift and larger tires?

Highly unlikely based on my 5 yrs of lifted Jeeping experience - unless you really plan on running your Commander into the ground.

Do, I plan on upgrading the stock UCA's?

Yes, either with the JBA UCA's or with the new UCA's that come with the 4 inch Superlift - if I decide to go that route.

Am I worried about my stock UCA's failing right now?

No, not at all.
 

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So.... I finally convinced the family to stay home for the weekend, and pulled the trigger. After lunch on Saturday I removed the first wheel nut, and by the end of the day Sunday I was applying 100 pounds torque to the last wheel. Old Man EMU 2" lift kit finally installed!!!
34" from the floor to the fender on all four wheels, looks good :)

Pulled the car out of the garage, and took it for a ride... Not the happiest moment of the weekend...
First, too much swaying, I felt like the car was reeeally touchy, pulling to either side with every bump in the road. I guess I'm gonna have to get used to it.
Second, I now have a squeaking noise coming out from the front, sounds like something being too tight and needing to settle. Any ideas?

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Congratulations! That "touchy" feeling is normal. You need to get an alignment done immediately after having any lift installed on the Commander. The lift will result in a positive camber, where the bottom of the tires are actually inward, this will cause that "floaty" feeling. After you get your alignment done things should feel like back to normal.
 

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Congratulations! That "touchy" feeling is normal. You need to get an alignment done immediately after having any lift installed on the Commander. The lift will result in a positive camber, where the bottom of the tires are actually inward, this will cause that "floaty" feeling. After you get your alignment done things should feel like back to normal.
That's exactly what I was wondering this morning! When I finished with the lift, I proudly call my wife, "Honeeey, come see! Im done!!! :grin2:"... She is like, "the wheels look crooked :|"... "Nahhhhh, they are fine..." I said, I guess she was right. :frown2:

Im getting new wheels next week (265s). Should I wait until then to align it?
 

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That's exactly what I was wondering this morning! When I finished with the lift, I proudly call my wife, "Honeeey, come see! Im done!!! :grin2:"... She is like, "the wheels look crooked :|"... "Nahhhhh, they are fine..." I said, I guess she was right. :frown2:

Im getting new wheels next week (265s). Should I wait until then to align it?
I'm sure the wife would be happy to know she was right lol. You can do the alignment now, I would. The new wheels/tires won't have an affect on the alignment.
 

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That's exactly what I was wondering this morning! When I finished with the lift, I proudly call my wife, "Honeeey, come see! Im done!!! :grin2:"... She is like, "the wheels look crooked :|"... "Nahhhhh, they are fine..." I said, I guess she was right. :frown2:

Im getting new wheels next week (265s). Should I wait until then to align it?
It's always a good idea to at least get your alignment checked when you go to larger tires.

The suspension geometry stress points can change with larger tires, just because your alignment was fine with your stock tires does not necessarily mean it remained unchanged after you put your larger tires on.

That doesn't mean you need an alignment - but I think it's a good idea to get it checked just to be on the safe side.

With your XK now lifted, you have raised your vehicles center of gravity, which means it's now a little more top heavy, that's why you feel the extra pulling to one side or the other when you turn.

Yes, you get used to it - but it might be a good idea to adjust your driving a little and start taking the turns a little slower.

The larger/wider tires might help stabilize the ride a little bit too.
 

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Yesterday I dropped the jeep at the local alignment shop, a couple of hours later they called me and said the jeep couldn't be aligned. The lower ball joints are busted and they told me I have to change the UCAs before they can do a proper alignment.

Last night I ordered the JBA Upper A-arms and MOOG Ball joints, now the worst parts, convincing the family again to stay home for the second weekend on the row...
 

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Yesterday I dropped the jeep at the local alignment shop, a couple of hours later they called me and said the jeep couldn't be aligned. The lower ball joints are busted and they told me I have to change the UCAs before they can do a proper alignment.

Last night I ordered the JBA Upper A-arms and MOOG Ball joints, now the worst parts, convincing the family again to stay home for the second weekend on the row...
Ugh, cheers for buying the UCA's but not for the reason the guy told you. I call BS on the shop for telling you that. The lift is not so high the machine cannot lift it, mine is very high and it can be aligned on the standard machine.

At the end of the day with a stock UCA you will end up with a 1deg caster offset... which JBA sells the caster correction shims now.

Be wary of the shop

Dave
 
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