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So this Commander is my first vehicle with a Jeep badge on it. I know it took awhile, 39 yrs, for me to finally get a jeep, but hey I got one.

So I would like to know if anyone has installed the Rocky Road 2.5" lift on one of these things yet? I read some of the forums that mentioned it was available but no information on the actual lift being installed and on the road.

If no one has installed the lift, does anyone have any experience with the Rocky Road company, good or bad, that they would like to share with me before I start down the path of installing this lift.

Thanks in advance for your reply,

RCW
 

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I asked Rocky Road if their lift kits adversley effect any of the computer controlled Stability control and roll mitigation functions.
I do know that their kits do not void the factory warranty, but that doesn mean it doesnt effect the computers functions.
They sent me the following response.

"Not that we know of. We do sell the kit to some local dealers that
install them before the vehicles are sold new. I imagine that they
would have told us if there were problems with the computer."

To me thats not enough to convince me that the stability functions will work as they were intended. Dealerships will do anything to sell cars. The fact that the warranty is not voided is enough for them to sell the Commanders with a lift kit. They could care less about the functions on the vehicle.
Some people may not care and these features. But I'd like to make sure the safety features that I paid for work properly. As much as I would love to put a slight lift on this thing, Personally, I need more conformation on how if effects the vehicle's features.
 

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Dato,

I spoke with my brother-in-law about the 4" lift and possible affects it would have on the giz wiz computer controls. He has done some extensive work on his jeep through a company called Sothern Offroad Specialist. So he gave them a call and here is what they had to say.

The 4" lift would effect the way the computer controls the safety functions of the jeep. You would basically have to turn of the traction control everytime you got into the jeep thus shutting down the roll over mitigation component of the computer. They are currently working on a "fix" but have not come up with it yet.

You can check out there website at www.southernoffroadspecialists.com/projects_events
My brother-in-law's jeep is the 03 TJ with four doors and 37" tires.

Bob
 

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Yep, I was affraid that would be the case. Thanks for that info! But thats on a 4" lift. I wonder what a 2" lift would do? The Rocky Road lift retains the stock springs but they recommend non-stock shocks.
 

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Talk to a person at Rocky Road. I wish I could remember his name but right now I can't. Anyway, I was very dissappointed with the information or should I say lack of information I was getting from him. I must have caught him at a bad time because it was like pulling nails to try to get some simple answers about the lift or spacers they have for sale. The company must be well off finacially if they are treating possible customers this way. All in all, a real crappy experience that has turned me away from their product and in search of different option. If anyone else contacts them I would like to hear what kind of treatment they recieve and if they person they talked to was helpfull in the least.

I also contacted superlift directly and inquired about their 4" lift. They say "there are no problems that they have experience with their test vehicle but have not had it offroad for some serious testing." So I called Southern Off-road and they just had a visit from the superlift rep today and they were told that the 4" lift should work fine on the Commander with no ill side effects. Southern OR will be installing these lifts for select dealers in the Atlanta. Southern OR is scheduled to get one of the first 4" lift kits to install on a dealer Commander before the end of the month.
Also, the person I talked to at Southern OR said she would be happy to contact me and let me know how it goes with the installation.

So by the end of the month there might be some good information available on how this lift kit works, what computer problems there are, and the price point for the kit.

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That would be great.
I contacted Rocky Road via e-mail from their Ebay auction. They responded right away with a very short and kind of vague answer IMO. I replied back with my concerns but I havent got an answer. So my experience with them so far hasnt really been bad but it hasnt been good either. Maybe they will come out with more information as well.
 

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well super lift has got their add for the 4" Commander lift on page 7 of the new JP, granted there is nothing new on the web site or at AEV either :(
 

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You are much better off sticking with mainstream, and proven companies, for lifts (in my opinion). Most of these companies will offer warranties for drivetrain components, parts, and labor.
 

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There are plenty of dealers around that will do just about anything to sell a vehicle, but, I would not lump all of them, us, into the same category! The same argument could be made for just about every profession in the world. Bottom line, you have good apples and you have bad apples. The key is to do research before you purchase or take advantage of a service.
 

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Sorry Ranger, no offense to you. Yes, there are plenty of dealers out there who will do anything to sell a vehicle and few dont fall into that catagory. The problem is that 95% fall into the "do anything to sell" catagory.
I agree, buyer beware and do research, thats why I put my 2 cents worth of warning out there...so people who are researching on this forum will see it. ;)
Alot of people dont think of stuff like (will this mess up my computer controled suspension functions?)
They would just see that Commander on the showroom floor with the 2" lift and think "Wow that looks cool" and buy it up without a thought...
 

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Brother I hate to say this but the rocky-road outfitters lift kit for the KJ Liberty is a piece of junk. That being said I don't see how their kit for the commander would be any different. Both vehicles are sport an independent front suspension (IFS) and the suspension design is very similar between the two vehicles...

What RRO's kit does is put space between the top of the coil-over suspension and the shock mount brackets on the XK. That is how they are able to reuse the stock suspension components. Basically the lift is "for looks" and in no way increases the off road capability of the Commander i.e. no gain in suspension flex and minimal ground clearance gain. If you want to lift your Jeep you might want to wait until another kit becomes availible from other manufacturers out there (and I'm sure that they are working on them). There will be companies that introduce real lift kits (true suspension lifts with taller springs and longer travel shocks) soon. An example of these would be the superlift kit (4 inches). You may not want or need that 4" of lift but I'm just saying that is one example. I'm sure that there are 2" and 2.5" kits coming this way for your Jeep.
 

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nu arty boy said:
Brother I hate to say this but the rocky-road outfitters lift kit for the KJ Liberty is a piece of junk. That being said I don't see how their kit for the commander would be any different. Both vehicles are sport an independent front suspension (IFS) and the suspension design is very similar between the two vehicles...

What RRO's kit does is put space between the top of the coil-over suspension and the shock mount brackets on the XK. That is how they are able to reuse the stock suspension components. Basically the lift is "for looks" and in no way increases the off road capability of the Commander i.e. no gain in suspension flex and minimal ground clearance gain. If you want to lift your Jeep you might want to wait until another kit becomes availible from other manufacturers out there (and I'm sure that they are working on them). There will be companies that introduce real lift kits (true suspension lifts with taller springs and longer travel shocks) soon. An example of these would be the superlift kit (4 inches). You may not want or need that 4" of lift but I'm just saying that is one example. I'm sure that there are 2" and 2.5" kits coming this way for your Jeep.
I do not know about RRO but the "spacers" are an almost universal way of achiving a "bit" of lift (for coil sprung jeeps and rams). By doing that you CAN fit bigger tires (more agressive) so you CAN incresae the off roadability with it, but you get to keep the nice ride quality. We are putting spacers on the WJ in the next month (in addition to the 2" springs on it). True it's mostly for looks, but you put a bigger tire on and you DO increase ground clerence.
 

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Right, but my point is that while you may get a small gain in clearance (in combination with larger tires) there is no additional gain in suspension travel. If you have a 2" suspension lift for your WJ then I'm sure you see the benefit of a suspension lift over a spacer lift. And I would just stay away from anything made from RRO. If I am going to modify a $40K vehicle then I might not want to overlook the quality aspect. I'd just wait till there are other manufacturers out there with a kit for the XK AND THEN pick a lift. Competition forces companies to put decent products on the market. Otherwise everything we buy would be junk...
 

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No question. I will install some lift on mine. 2-3" wll be fine for me. When I wear out the new tires that are on it, I will probably go to 15 or 16" rims and a tire with 30" max overall dia. I can then keep the gear ratio the way it is. If one installs spacers only then you get the added wheel well clearance but that sets you closer to "topping out" when in rough terrain. This can be not that big o deal if you are not getting too crazy. If you go with longer springs and longer shocks then you eliminate the top out situation and gain actual true suspension travel. The question is: Will the factory commander system be negatively affected. I think with only 2-3" it would be fine. Any more than that and you may start pushing suspension arcs and mitigation beyond it's design. A word of caution. I installed a 4" lift on my tj . It was mfrd by Full-Traction. Nice product except when I was finished it needed an additional 1.75" lift in the rear to make it stand correctly. I informed them and they said " well, it looks like you need to add some spacers" . I did just that. Polyurethane. Pc. of cake. Work fine last long time, but... Why in he-- should I have to do that? If the springs were right it would have been perfect. While I'm thinking about all that, let me tell you that I also installed the Advance Adapters slip-yoke eliminator (that was missing a circlip for the output shaft, and I'm real happy that I noticed) and a Tom Woods drive shaft. All beautifully made. Installed no problemo. I drive and after a while I find a tiny, tiny leak of fluid at the Adv. Adapt. housing. (There is no gasket and was never intended to have). I used premium sealer. This just won't do , so I pulled it apart and inspected surfaces and resealed. @#$%!! still leaks! I made a thin gasket, resealed and all is well. I'm telling everybody this because it's not a perfect world and even the best of companies can get it wrong. I really hate to be a chicken, but I kind of want to wait for someone to post their installation and results so I can decide what is avail. and what quality it is and how it functions. Who's going to jump in first?
 

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I will probably jump when superlifts starts there delivery of the 4" system. I was interested in the Rocky Road stuff until I contacted them on the phone. Bad experience that left me thinking that it must be hard for them to breath with their heads stuffed and locked in to their a##.

So in a month or so I will install the 4" lift from superlift. I will let everyone know how it goes and if it is worth the reported $1495 for the kit.

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kidatforty said:
The question is: Will the factory commander system be negatively affected. I think with only 2-3" it would be fine. Any more than that and you may start pushing suspension arcs and mitigation beyond it's design.
Its a concern for some...Hey, the new Wrangler will have computer controlled Stability control and roll mitigation functions also...

I guess messing up those functions is not going to be a worry for the purists who want to lift the Wrangler. :D
 

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Lift update.

Called Southern Offroad Specialists and inquired about them installing lifts for dealers in the Atlanta area as I was told in an earlier conversation with them. They said that superlift is currently working on a "fix" for the roll stability, traction control, and any other electronic gee whiz stuff on the commander that would alter it's normal functions.

Basically if you lift the XK, it will throw the stability control light (little car with two skid marks behind it that glows yellowish orange). Now when this light is on the stability control system ceases to operate and will not operate until you take it to a dealer to have them reset the ECU. The only option of not having to go to a dealer is that everytime you get in the car you have to manually turn the stability control program off by holding the button in for 5 seconds (I think the owners manual describes how to bypass the system if you want to). A pain in the backside for sure.

So Southern Offroad is hounding superlift to develope a computer fix for this issue. They said that thier customers do not want to have to hold a button in for 5 seconds everytime they get into thier cars because of some computer issues.

The phone call ended with Southern OR Spec. planning on giving me a call back with updated progress on the computer fix.

So if anybody out there is good at hacking in to ECUs, hook up to yours and figure out a way to recalibrate the stability systems so it will except a 4" lift and then call superlift and sell it to them at a hefty profit and retire. :D

More news when I get news.

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The Skyjacker lift is nothing but a poly spacer that fits between the strut mount and the shock. It does not increase the actual travel of the suspension.
 
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