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Hey folks, my name is Brian and I just picked up my new 2009 Jeep Commander Overland (Light Graystone Pearl - Dark Slate Gray/Light Graystone) on Friday. This forum has been very helpful in my research, so I'm very appreciative.

I looked long and hard for this particular year and model which I found on AutoTrader a couple states away from me. The used dealer had 71 photos on their website from every conceivable angle and this was one of the best condition XK I've spotted. After communicating with the seller for a few days I took the risk of buying. Although there ended up being a few more imperfections than he noted (of course), nothing that would have been a deal breaker. It's in great condition inside and out.

Face with the task of retrieving the vehicle, I first submitted the transport job to one of those websites that puts it out for bids and quickly got bombarded with both emails and texts. A good chunk were over $1,000, just to transport 670 miles, many were just under a thousand and a few were around $500. I started checking reviews of the lower priced ones and just couldn't feel confident about using any of them, not mention the time frame was going to require more patience than I cared to give. I ended up renting a one-way car for a total of $212 and $55 in gas to get there. The dealer left the XK at Avis for me, so I dropped the rental off and immediately headed straight back in my new Commander for another $105 in gas. In less than one week from first spotting the ad and for a total of $372 with 1350 miles in 23 hours, it's a done deal.

Some of my immediate repair projects are a blend door issue on passenger side (no heat). Headlight issue, seems the auto adjuster is off. They are point down too much and every once in a while they look up for a few seconds. And one of the skylight shades won't retract. I've already found some useful threads on the blend door and skylight shade and need to search to the headlights soon.

I do have a few questions; No Trail Rated badges, did they not stick them on the Overland trim? I thought '09 had the push button start and "Fuel Saver Mode" indicator above average mpg. Owners manual shows them yet I have neither.

Anyway, please to be an official member of this forum. I hope to be here a long time.
 

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Hey folks, my name is Brian and I just picked up my new 2009 Jeep Commander Overland (Light Graystone Pearl - Dark Slate Gray/Light Graystone) on Friday. This forum has been very helpful in my research, so I'm very appreciative.

I looked long and hard for this particular year and model which I found on AutoTrader a couple states away from me. The used dealer had 71 photos on their website from every conceivable angle and this was one of the best condition XK I've spotted. After communicating with the seller for a few days I took the risk of buying. Although there ended up being a few more imperfections than he noted (of course), nothing that would have been a deal breaker. It's in great condition inside and out.

Face with the task of retrieving the vehicle, I first submitted the transport job to one of those websites that puts it out for bids and quickly got bombarded with both emails and texts. A good chunk were over $1,000, just to transport 670 miles, many were just under a thousand and a few were around $500. I started checking reviews of the lower priced ones and just couldn't feel confident about using any of them, not mention the time frame was going to require more patience than I cared to give. I ended up renting a one-way car for a total of $212 and $55 in gas to get there. The dealer left the XK at Avis for me, so I dropped the rental off and immediately headed straight back in my new Commander for another $105 in gas. In less than one week from first spotting the ad and for a total of $372 with 1350 miles in 23 hours, it's a done deal.

Some of my immediate repair projects are a blend door issue on passenger side (no heat). Headlight issue, seems the auto adjuster is off. They are point down too much and every once in a while they look up for a few seconds. And one of the skylight shades won't retract. I've already found some useful threads on the blend door and skylight shade and need to search to the headlights soon.

I do have a few questions; No Trail Rated badges, did they not stick them on the Overland trim? I thought '09 had the push button start and "Fuel Saver Mode" indicator above average mpg. Owners manual shows them yet I have neither.

Anyway, please to be an official member of this forum. I hope to be here a long time.
@webwzrd;

Welcome to the forum; I will post what your XK needs to be equipped with from the factory to be trail-rated by jeep in another post; I'd strongly recommend reading the New Member required Reading sticky in which it explains how to get your factory build sheet (I highly recommend you do this) if you don't already have it. Here are some links to help you out with future repairs or upgrades to your XK;

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Thanks and again, welcome aboard.
 

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@webwzrd;

There are 3 things your Commander has to have to be designated as Trail-Rated from the factory;

1) An 8 cylinder engine - either the 4.7L V-8 or 5.7L Hemi V-8;

2) The Quadra-Trac II or Quadra Drive II 4WD system; meaning you have the NV245 two speed transfer case with the ability to drop down into 4-LOW.

3) At least 3.73 gearing or higher in the rear end - this is the one factor that most people are not aware of and often overlook.

Now bare in mind - ANYBODY can order Trail-Rated emblems from the dealership and stick them on - but that doesn't mean that your Commander has been Trail-Rated by Jeep;

You have to have some combination of the 3 things I mentioned above to get Chrysler/Jeep's Trail-Rated designation/emblem from the factory.

 

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I do have a few questions; No Trail Rated badges, did they not stick them on the Overland trim? I thought '09 had the push button start and "Fuel Saver Mode" indicator above average mpg. Owners manual shows them yet I have neither.

Anyway, please to be an official member of this forum. I hope to be here a long time.
If your Jeep is equipped as you stated in your profile, it should be trail rated; the Hemi with QDII is trail rated in all forms. Your Jeep may have been debadged.

As far as push button start goes, no XK I know of has that option. You may have remote start, but that's the only keyless start system I know of on these.

"Fuel Saver Mode", or MDS as it's more commonly called, should be equipped on all Hemis. You should have a screen in your EVIC that will show when MDS engages and disengages. It really won't make a big difference in your MPG. It may also be disabled if a previous owner turned it off with a programmer.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys and the great links, I'll be sure to check them all out.

consumedbywater, Thanks for catching the details and right, my Overland should of course qualify for the Trail Rated badge. I don't really care if it's there, was just wondering if it's an Overland thing to leave it off.

The push button start/stop is called "Keyless Go". Per the owners manual:

Keyless Go (If Equipped)
This function allows the driver to operate the ignition switch with the push of a button, as long as the ENGINE START/STOP button is installed and the Keyless Go ignition key (FOBIK) can be detected inside of the vehicle.

I've seen videos of this and know the push start/stop button can be pulled of in case it malfunctions and than you can insert the regular remote key. I thought the Overland came with virtually every option, so I assumed this would be there.

"Fuel Saver Mode" is specifically what the EVIC should say when cylinder deactivation is engaged. I averaged about 18 mpg on my long trip home which I thought was pretty good and assumed the MDS was indeed working.
 

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consumedbywater said:
If your Jeep is equipped as you stated in your profile, it should be trail rated; the Hemi with QDII is trail rated in all forms.
Hate to disagree with you cbw, but, that's a false statement.

Thanks for catching the details and right, my Overland should of course qualify for the Trail Rated badge.
You have 2 of the 3 checks in the box with the 5.7L Hemi & QD-II - but these 2 options alone do not make an XK Trail-Rated contrary to popular opinion.

It all comes down to the rear end gearing; If you don't have 3.73 gearing or higher in the rear end, your Commander will most definitely NOT be trail-rated.

Or, it could just be that the original owner opted not to have them put on. The only way to know for sure is to obtain the factory build sheet for your XK and see what rear end gearing you had installed from the factory.
 

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Big Blue, I gotcha - when I look up my vin # it shows: DME: 3.73 Axle Ratio;.
You are good to go then webwzrd; The original owner must have opted not to have it put on when he ordered it from the factory - or he had it removed after the fact.
 

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Hate to disagree with you cbw, but, that's a false statement.


You have 2 of the 3 checks in the box with the 5.7L Hemi & QD-II - but these 2 options alone do not make an XK Trail-Rated contrary to popular opinion.

It all comes down to the rear end gearing; If you don't have 3.73 gearing or higher in the rear end, your Commander will most definitely NOT be trail-rated.

Or, it could just be that the original owner opted not to have them put on. The only way to know for sure is to obtain the factory build sheet for your XK and see what rear end gearing you had installed from the factory.
I simplified things. All Hemis come equipped with 3.73 gear ratios from the factory, regardless of drivetrain. Therefore, as long as his was equipped with the Hemi and QDII, it would qualify.
 

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I simplified things. All Hemis come equipped with 3.73 gear ratios from the factory, regardless of drivetrain. Therefore, as long as his was equipped with the Hemi and QDII, it would qualify.
If that's the case, then I agree with you - I was not aware of that.

Thanks for clarifying.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys and the great links, I'll be sure to check them all out.

consumedbywater, Thanks for catching the details and right, my Overland should of course qualify for the Trail Rated badge. I don't really care if it's there, was just wondering if it's an Overland thing to leave it off.

The push button start/stop is called "Keyless Go". Per the owners manual:

Keyless Go (If Equipped)
This function allows the driver to operate the ignition switch with the push of a button, as long as the ENGINE START/STOP button is installed and the Keyless Go ignition key (FOBIK) can be detected inside of the vehicle.

I've seen videos of this and know the push start/stop button can be pulled of in case it malfunctions and than you can insert the regular remote key. I thought the Overland came with virtually every option, so I assumed this would be there.

"Fuel Saver Mode" is specifically what the EVIC should say when cylinder deactivation is engaged. I averaged about 18 mpg on my long trip home which I thought was pretty good and assumed the MDS was indeed working.

MDS is almost definitely working at 18 MPG; without MDS, you should average closer to 14 mpg highway, depending on the quality of gas where you are. I can't tell you where or how the message should appear on the EVIC, since older models like mine don't have that message.


I didn't know these ever came with a push button start, so that's good to know. Overlands aren't automatically equipped with every option though, so there's a possibility the first owner simply didn't order that option. Even on the highest trim, there may be some features you're missing.
 

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Funny, I picked up a 2009 Limited on Thursday and I have no heat on my passenger side too. Any verdict on what part I should order before I tear apart the dash? I have a few more things to address but it got us home on our 1700 mile trip!
 

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Poker, Congrats on your new Jeep!

I figure it's got to be either the actuator or the blend door itself. I haven't removed the glove-box yet to check on what exactly can be seen, but in some cars the actuator is exposed and can be removed but the blend door needs the whole dash to come out.

I watched a video of an older Grand Cherokee blend door repair job and after he removed the actuator he cut a big area of the plastic out and exposed the blend door, replaced the broken part and duck taped the plastic back all with the dash in place. I have no idea if this is a practical idea for us, but worth checking out.
 

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Yeah, did some googling around this morning and it appears everything is easily accessible. I'll try to rip into it tonight to get a proper diagnosis. I'll update you on what I find.

A lot of guys need this part and MOPAR doesn't sell it by itself. A guy 3d prints it and sells on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/272158519903 Don't see it listed anymore. Might have to visit a junk yard.

My main issue is the transmission, pretty sure I need to replace the solenoid pack. I'll hopefully know when I pull codes with my tuner. Doesn't shift smoothly and wouldn't shift into OD a couple times. Hoping $300 and a few hours and I'll be smooth again.
 

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Pretty sure there are also after-market places that sell the doors. I even seen the broken doors repaired fairly easily. They tend to break where the spindle goes in and may be able to be repaired and reinforced.
 

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Poker, Don't know this conversation should be continued in a different forum section or if it's just considered two new owners discussing what to do about existing issue when purchased. Maybe a moderator will advise.

Anyway, pulled the glove box and removed the passenger actuator and found the coupler between the actuator and the blend door was broke as well as the grooved tip of the blend door shaft - I'm hoping this is just an end piece that slides on. Now to find these parts, I think the coupler may come with a new actuator which is fairly cheep, maybe the other part comes with a blend door kit. By the way, the blend door was so stiff it wouldn't turn at first but I carefully worked it free. Maybe that's why the other parts broke or maybe the door got froze in place because the coupler broke a long time ago.

I also noticed the recirculating blend door has a broken coupler to it's actuator too.
 

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Thanx! I just took the glove box off too. Is the actuator in the middle with two screws holing it on? I'm trying to find a diagram of what I'm looking at.
 
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