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Hi all,

My name is Johann and I'm from Pretoria, South Africa. I've recently bought a 2006 Commander, 5.7 Hemi and absolutely love this vehicle, but....

I've paid ZAR 60,000 (+/- $4,000USD) for the vehicle and I did not expect it to be be flowless. I knew that there will be work needed on it. The previous owners did not really look after it, but strangely enough, most of the faults I did encounter were typical maintenance neglect. It's more labor than parts and if you look past the seriously, really dirty vehicle, it's actually in a really good condition. 95% of the vehicle is still working quite well. Till now (after owning it for about two weeks) I've done the following maintenance on it:
  • A seriously good wash
  • Engine oil change
  • Front diff oil change (this was quite nasty)
  • Air conditioner repair (replaced a valve and replaced a missing bolt on a connecting pipe to the cooler)
  • Replaced 2 fuses
  • Got hold of plastic clips to secure some of the outside trims
  • Upper control arms
Now it drives fantastic, makes good power, but fuel consumption is terrible. I know what I should get and I'm way of the mark. Eventually I found that the rubber connecting pipe between the airbox and the throttle body is totally destroyed. Just made a quick repair on it and felt a difference, as no unmetered air is passing through anymore. All well and fine and I'm making progress, until yesterday.

Driving back home, I had to accelerate quite hard to avoid an accident (we do have quite a lot of unconscious drivers in this country) and the next moment I'm hearing a loud knocking noise from the front. I've pulled over and stop as quick as possible to check what this is. I've researched the "hemi knock" which is usually one of the following:
  • Loose exhaust manifold
  • Lifters
  • Conrod bearing (Spun bearing)
I found loose bolt on the manifold and snugged it up, no change. Opened the rocker covers and turned the engine, all of the valves is compressing and the movement distance from fully closed to fully open is the exact same length. Not the issue (I think). Removed one spark plug from each cylinder and slide in a screw driver to check for a conrod knock. No issues found. I do periodically work on vehicles and I've rebuilt a couple of engines, I'm no expert, but common sense goes a long way....

Keep in mind, I'm in South Africa, not in the US where simple things like head gaskets is only a phone call away. I need to be very sure what the problem is before anything is bolted off. Not to mention the ridicules prices we pay for it.

Now, what I think the problem might be is the timing chain guides broke or the tensioner went soft or broke. I've had a similar issue with a 2005 Mini Cooper S (timing chain tensioner went soft and the chain hit the housing due to chain slop), which made a very similar noise to what I'm hearing on the hemi. Also, the noise seems to be in the front part of the engine. Could this be the issue?? Is there any way to check the timing chain tension without unbolting to much parts which require gaskets or new bolt afterwards??? Any suggestions is welcome, please.
 

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Hi all,

My name is Johann and I'm from Pretoria, South Africa. I've recently bought a 2006 Commander, 5.7 Hemi and absolutely love this vehicle, but....

I've paid ZAR 60,000 (+/- $4,000USD) for the vehicle and I did not expect it to be be flowless. I knew that there will be work needed on it. The previous owners did not really look after it, but strangely enough, most of the faults I did encounter were typical maintenance neglect. It's more labor than parts and if you look past the seriously, really dirty vehicle, it's actually in a really good condition. 95% of the vehicle is still working quite well. Till now (after owning it for about two weeks) I've done the following maintenance on it:
  • A seriously good wash
  • Engine oil change
  • Front diff oil change (this was quite nasty)
  • Air conditioner repair (replaced a valve and replaced a missing bolt on a connecting pipe to the cooler)
  • Replaced 2 fuses
  • Got hold of plastic clips to secure some of the outside trims
  • Upper control arms
Now it drives fantastic, makes good power, but fuel consumption is terrible. I know what I should get and I'm way of the mark. Eventually I found that the rubber connecting pipe between the airbox and the throttle body is totally destroyed. Just made a quick repair on it and felt a difference, as no unmetered air is passing through anymore. All well and fine and I'm making progress, until yesterday.

Driving back home, I had to accelerate quite hard to avoid an accident (we do have quite a lot of unconscious drivers in this country) and the next moment I'm hearing a loud knocking noise from the front. I've pulled over and stop as quick as possible to check what this is. I've researched the "hemi knock" which is usually one of the following:
  • Loose exhaust manifold
  • Lifters
  • Conrod bearing (Spun bearing)
I found loose bolt on the manifold and snugged it up, no change. Opened the rocker covers and turned the engine, all of the valves is compressing and the movement distance from fully closed to fully open is the exact same length. Not the issue (I think). Removed one spark plug from each cylinder and slide in a screw driver to check for a conrod knock. No issues found. I do periodically work on vehicles and I've rebuilt a couple of engines, I'm no expert, but common sense goes a long way....

Keep in mind, I'm in South Africa, not in the US where simple things like head gaskets is only a phone call away. I need to be very sure what the problem is before anything is bolted off. Not to mention the ridicules prices we pay for it.

Now, what I think the problem might be is the timing chain guides broke or the tensioner went soft or broke. I've had a similar issue with a 2005 Mini Cooper S (timing chain tensioner went soft and the chain hit the housing due to chain slop), which made a very similar noise to what I'm hearing on the hemi. Also, the noise seems to be in the front part of the engine. Could this be the issue?? Is there any way to check the timing chain tension without unbolting to much parts which require gaskets or new bolt afterwards??? Any suggestions is welcome, please.
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