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How do you feel about the Commander against say a Land Cruiser? As everyone knows in the world Jeep is not so reliable and a Land Cruiser would be. Just imagine if the Jeep were as reliable as a Land Cruiser? Winner but it's not. So how do you feel as far as reliability compared to a Land Cruiser? Please do not feed me any wishful thinking because you own one. I literally need some talk here, I don't have time for any Jeep fanboy crap or those living in denial saying Jeep is the best. It's not but it's affordable is what it is. Do you see the Commander getting 300,000 miles or more? Do you see lots of mechanical issues down the road? As we all know or have heard electronics are trash on Jeeps. True hard facts and future forecast. Again no Jeep fanboy BS or Jeep fanboy living in denial saying their Jeep is better or as good as a Toyota or Nissan Patrol.

One down the road for sale for $14,500. It's a Limited with the Himi and loaded. I'd like to buy American and keep things rolling in the hills here. Jeep people like to say you can't just get Toyota parts at the parts store or you gotta go to the dealer but this is not the case anymore. They are about even now and things are getting somewhere. I love the retro look but don't want something bad here folks. I want something that will last over 300,000 and will last longer if I do the right upkeep.

New Cherokees are getting horrible reviews I know for a fact and so are the new Grand Cherokee's. The 2015 Wrangler is being built in a different factory and no longer in Toledo, OH like all other years. Can't believe Jeep yanked the solid axle out of the Grand Cherokee, just realized this the other day. The 4Runner and Xterra still have a solid axle. Some say it's for a smoother ride for those who don't use them for what there made for but not true. They should be true truck form, plain and simple. Using a unibody and next independent suspension front and rear, what the heck are they doing in the Jeep world? Jeep would rather "Sale Out" than be a true performer. And HEMI is redicolous in so many ways. I can understand more HP and torque but for speed? C'mon now.
 

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Land Cruiser's, although I have NOT researched the latest versions, 10 years ago they were NOT reliable at all. True Toyota has a well earned reputation for reliability, BUT, that doesn't mean every model they sell is equally reliable and the Land Cruiser of a few years ago were NOT. Perhaps that has changed, and newer Land Cruisers have proven to be more reliable.

The new Cherokee, I've heard nothing but good things about it, although the old die-hard fanatics puke about it. It is built on a Fiat Platform, and without a doubt is less capable off road than the original 80's XJ Cherokee. But still, the trailhawk version looks reasonably capable off road. Unreliable? Only thing I've heard is typical 1st MY stuff, new firmware updates, one or two teething problems fixed by the dealer with updates. Its too early to tell if they will be a mony pit of needing repair after repair.

No, there were rumors that they would move the assembly of the next generation Wrangler to a different plant. That was because it will have an aluminum body (also a rumor), but they have already broken ground on additions to the plant in Ohio, that is speculated will be new "uncontiminated and clean" rooms for the aluminum body production, moved into the remaining plant for the rest of assembly.

Government Regulation and CAFE requirements force newer models to be make design compromises, the fact is the Wrangler kept growing bigger every next generation to meet all the regulations and keep the dual live axle and off road equipment, while dragging down the whole CAFE. And the Pick-Up market is too valuable to Chrysler to sacrifice it just to keep Jeeps, that drives Jeeps to make design comprimises, like Idependent Suspensions to meet CAFE, etc.

Not saying a few of the unpopular decisions were NOT also trying to advantage of consumer desires and trading off the Jeep name as well to get more sales, instead of trying to make the best off-road vehicles solely either.
 

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Well I am just an old boy from the hills of Southern California but my first response is that you might just expect a reaction or two from a site that is for Jeep Commander owners and "Jeep Fanboys".

I suggest that you might do best with a Land Cruiser, heck why not just go ahead and get a Range Rover. I also suggest that you get a brand new one so that you can experience the new car depreciation at it's finest.

However, I do not think that you can get a Himi or even a Hemi from either of them.

I really do not have anything bad to say about any other brand of off road vehicle other than that I have pulled a few out of the mud or sand.

Good Luck in your search for your perfect land cruiser or range rover.
 

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Land Cruiser's, although I have NOT researched the latest versions, 10 years ago they were NOT reliable at all. True Toyota has a well earned reputation for reliability, BUT, that doesn't mean every model they sell is equally reliable and the Land Cruiser of a few years ago were NOT. Perhaps that has changed, and newer Land Cruisers have proven to be more reliable.

The new Cherokee, I've heard nothing but good things about it, although the old die-hard fanatics puke about it. It is built on a Fiat Platform, and without a doubt is less capable off road than the original 80's XJ Cherokee. But still, the trailhawk version looks reasonably capable off road. Unreliable? Only thing I've heard is typical 1st MY stuff, new firmware updates, one or two teething problems fixed by the dealer with updates. Its too early to tell if they will be a mony pit of needing repair after repair.

No, there were rumors that they would move the assembly of the next generation Wrangler to a different plant. That was because it will have an aluminum body (also a rumor), but they have already broken ground on additions to the plant in Ohio, that is speculated will be new "uncontiminated and clean" rooms for the aluminum body production, moved into the remaining plant for the rest of assembly.

Government Regulation and CAFE requirements force newer models to be make design compromises, the fact is the Wrangler kept growing bigger every next generation to meet all the regulations and keep the dual live axle and off road equipment, while dragging down the whole CAFE. And the Pick-Up market is too valuable to Chrysler to sacrifice it just to keep Jeeps, that drives Jeeps to make design comprimises, like Idependent Suspensions to meet CAFE, etc.

Not saying a few of the unpopular decisions were NOT also trying to advantage of consumer desires and trading off the Jeep name as well to get more sales, instead of trying to make the best off-road vehicles solely either.

Thank you for your reply. Although I have never nor do I think I have heard anything ever about a Land Cruiser being unreliable. The Land Cruiser by Toyota has always been a reliable vehicle. Maybe your thinking of Land Rover because otherwisethis is the first I've ever heard.

Do you see a Commander hitting over 300,000 miles and if more miles are to come you'd be looking at the norm like head gaskets, valve covers and whatever? Or do you feel 300,000 is wishful thinking? The life of a vehicle means the world to me.
 

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Well I am just an old boy from the hills of Southern California but my first response is that you might just expect a reaction or two from a site that is for Jeep Commander owners and "Jeep Fanboys".

I suggest that you might do best with a Land Cruiser, heck why not just go ahead and get a Range Rover. I also suggest that you get a brand new one so that you can experience the new car depreciation at it's finest.

However, I do not think that you can get a Himi or even a Hemi from either of them.

I really do not have anything bad to say about any other brand of off road vehicle other than that I have pulled a few out of the mud or sand.

Good Luck in your search for your perfect land cruiser or range rover.

I find some of what you said uncalled for but I'm not going to whine over it. A Land Cruiser by Toyota and a Range Rover are two very different vehicles. Sure brand new they price about the same but ones reliable and the other is unreliable. You say heck go by brand new and watch it depreciate at its finest, well that is very true for a Range Rover/Land Rover will do so fast but a Land Cruiser will hold its value. You have 1997 - 2004 Land Cruisers with 220,000 to 270,000 miles fetching $14,000 to $20,000. So Land Cruiser's hold their value. Not sure if you got upset or jealous but yeah. Anyways that's the price of a pristine Commander used and some cases almost new. A Jeep suv per say and not including the Wranglers will depreciate big time.

Examples:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=66441&endYear=2004&modelCode1=LC&sortBy=bestmatcha&showcaseOwnerId=84901&startYear=1981&makeCode1=TOYOTA&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxMileage=200001&searchRadius=0&mmt=[TOYOTA[LC[]][]]&listingId=367548358&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2004&zip=66441&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&mmt=[TOYOTA[LC[]][]]&modelCode1=LC&sortBy=bestmatcha&showcaseOwnerId=84901&makeCode1=TOYOTA&startYear=1981&firstRecord=26&maxMileage=200001&searchRadius=0&listingId=359897986&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2004&zip=66441&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&mmt=[TOYOTA[LC[]][]]&modelCode1=LC&sortBy=bestmatcha&showcaseOwnerId=84901&makeCode1=TOYOTA&startYear=1981&firstRecord=26&maxMileage=200001&searchRadius=0&listingId=375525205&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2004&zip=66441&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&mmt=[TOYOTA[LC[]][]]&modelCode1=LC&sortBy=bestmatcha&showcaseOwnerId=84901&makeCode1=TOYOTA&startYear=1981&firstRecord=76&maxMileage=200001&searchRadius=0&listingId=359501542&Log=0


I'm not here to upset, I'm not here to do anything but get information about a potential buy. Don't get jealous, upset or anything about a Land Cruiser cause I mentioned one. If Jeeps were more reliable maybe you might see similar prices. I'm interested in a Commander and need information. Don't be hate. I'm just looking for honest opinions from owners and that's why I said fanboys because there are more jeep fanboys than any others. I don't want opinions from those who can't look past the pride of the jeep badge or supposed trail rated badge to give honest answers. It's hard to call out the negatives or not sound like your dissing something you own - I understand but honesty is what I'm looking for. So I'm looking and asking for those to look past their pride of Jeep and pride because they own a Jeep and give honest opinions. Thank you
 

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Land Cruiser's, although I have NOT researched the latest versions, 10 years ago they were NOT reliable at all. True Toyota has a well earned reputation for reliability, BUT, that doesn't mean every model they sell is equally reliable and the Land Cruiser of a few years ago were NOT. Perhaps that has changed, and newer Land Cruisers have proven to be more reliable.

The new Cherokee, I've heard nothing but good things about it, although the old die-hard fanatics puke about it. It is built on a Fiat Platform, and without a doubt is less capable off road than the original 80's XJ Cherokee. But still, the trailhawk version looks reasonably capable off road. Unreliable? Only thing I've heard is typical 1st MY stuff, new firmware updates, one or two teething problems fixed by the dealer with updates. Its too early to tell if they will be a mony pit of needing repair after repair.

No, there were rumors that they would move the assembly of the next generation Wrangler to a different plant. That was because it will have an aluminum body (also a rumor), but they have already broken ground on additions to the plant in Ohio, that is speculated will be new "uncontiminated and clean" rooms for the aluminum body production, moved into the remaining plant for the rest of assembly.

Government Regulation and CAFE requirements force newer models to be make design compromises, the fact is the Wrangler kept growing bigger every next generation to meet all the regulations and keep the dual live axle and off road equipment, while dragging down the whole CAFE. And the Pick-Up market is too valuable to Chrysler to sacrifice it just to keep Jeeps, that drives Jeeps to make design comprimises, like Idependent Suspensions to meet CAFE, etc.

Not saying a few of the unpopular decisions were NOT also trying to advantage of consumer desires and trading off the Jeep name as well to get more sales, instead of trying to make the best off-road vehicles solely either.

Cherokee Issues:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jury-awards-consumer-81000-for-damaged-jeep-cherokee-sold-as-brand-new-82476727.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/chrysler-recalls-jeep-cherokee-ram-1500-and-chrysler-200-vehicles-082114.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/jeep.htm Read through







http://m.youtube.com/results?q=jeep Cherokee 2014 issues &sm=3 More
 

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I was not either upset or jealous. I was actually pulling your leg and trying to make the point that your first post on this forum was not the most positive way to enter into a discussion. Putting down the vehicle that this web site is about is similar to a ford/chevy guy entering the website of the other and saying that their vehicle is not good.

If you really want honest information you should not prejudge our members answers as Jeep Fanboy Crap or BS.

Now if you want to start over again, Welcome to the "Jeep Commander" Forum and just try to be a little more respectful of where you are.

This is almost always a very respectful place with lots of good information mostly based on facts and not necessarily opinions.

Well maybe some opinions about Hummers. LOL
 

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I was not either upset or jealous. I was actually pulling your leg and trying to make the point that your first post on this forum was not the most positive way to enter into a discussion. Putting down the vehicle that this web site is about is similar to a ford/chevy guy entering the website of the other and saying that their vehicle is not good.

If you really want honest information you should not prejudge our members answers as Jeep Fanboy Crap or BS.

Now if you want to start over again, Welcome to the "Jeep Commander" Forum and just try to be a little more respectful of where you are.

This is almost always a very respectful place with lots of good information mostly based on facts and not necessarily opinions.

Well maybe some opinions about Hummers. LOL

Well I apologize for taking you serious earlier and starting over fresh sounds good. It's just I'd like to get straightforward answers and not just it's the best in world because I own one and I'm afraid to say anything negative because I don't want to come off as hating on my ride. So sorry for the fanboys and bs comment.

So starting over as I'm sure from my name you get that I'm an expedition type person, lol. And no a Ford Expedition is not an option lmao. Anyways in all seriousness is this a trusted, dependable vehicle that could last a long time? It would be sweet to have this in the future as a classic and still running. I don't want something I'm going to regret due to error and one issue after another or a vehicle that's known to have engine, transmission failure like easily. I've read electronic and computer issues can be common so I would like to know if the stalling and non start issues have been fixed. I also heard 4wd low not working after issues with stalling being resolved or something.

I loved to be a Commander owner and one have it driving around as a classic but I need to know everything. Thanks
 

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Good deal.

First off you will hear about things that have been issues. Use the search function and you can read extensive posts about each of the issues that you have asked about.

I do not think that we defend our Commanders when a problem is idenitified.
We usually share information on fixing the problem.

I also enjoy expedition type off road trips. One of my Commanders is outfitted with extra gas tanks for extended trips. I like to go to the end of any road and then have enough gas to get back and to also sell gas to my buddies for $20 a gallon, (just kidding).

I have been lucky and have not had any of the problems with either of my jeeps.

That does not mean that they do not exist.

I would suggest that you either ask specific questions about whatever you are concerned with or better yet use the search function with keywords to read hours of information posted over the last several years.

Good Luck.
 

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Good deal.

First off you will hear about things that have been issues. Use the search function and you can read extensive posts about each of the issues that you have asked about.

I do not think that we defend our Commanders when a problem is idenitified.
We usually share information on fixing the problem.

I also enjoy expedition type off road trips. One of my Commanders is outfitted with extra gas tanks for extended trips. I like to go to the end of any road and then have enough gas to get back and to also sell gas to my buddies for $20 a gallon, (just kidding).

I have been lucky and have not had any of the problems with either of my jeeps.

That does not mean that they do not exist.

I would suggest that you either ask specific questions about whatever you are concerned with or better yet use the search function with keywords to read hours of information posted over the last several years.

Good Luck.
So knowing that you have the 4.7 V8 and the 5.7 V8 HEMI which would you recommend being more reliable of the two? If you do happen to pick one over the other would there be any specific reasons you could list off the top of your head? And would the 4.7 V8 be an adequate amount of power for custom bumpers, loaded down, a lift and more? Of course I know the 5.7 V8 HIMI would be. Lol.

BTW gas is not any concern to me. Lol
 

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So knowing that you have the 4.7 V8 and the 5.7 V8 HEMI which would you recommend being more reliable of the two? If you do happen to pick one over the other would there be any specific reasons you could list off the top of your head? And would the 4.7 V8 be an adequate amount of power for custom bumpers, loaded down, a lift and more? Of course I know the 5.7 V8 HEMI would be. Lol.

BTW gas is not any concern to me. Lol
The 4.7 has plenty of power. I got the 4.7 because back then the issue of Flex Fuel seemed to justify having the option of using Biofuel. My first Commander was stolen. I bought the Hemi version when that happened and then the first one was recovered.

The Hemi does have more power and the mileage is close to the same, possibly because of the MDS function when cruising. I have had no reliability issues with either one. I would probably have Hemi's in both if I did it again. Mostly because the flex fuel issue never became important.

The 4.7 has more than enough power not only for all of the mods that I did but also because I routinely pulled a car trailer with a Mustang race car on it with no trouble.

I have more weight on my 4,7 Commander that most because of two custom bumpers, a locking internal storage box with winch storage and 55 gallons of gas in three tanks.

By the way a good example of how we really do discuss all of the faults of the Commander is the thread that was just below this thread a few minutes ago.

We have frank discussions about recalls and other faults or issues with our vehicles.
 

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Thank you for your reply. Although I have never nor do I think I have heard anything ever about a Land Cruiser being unreliable. The Land Cruiser by Toyota has always been a reliable vehicle. Maybe your thinking of Land Rover because otherwisethis is the first I've ever heard.
I've know 3 different people that owned late 90's Land Cruisers and they were in the shop constantly and the owners regretted buying them. I, on the other hand owned cheap Dodge's and never had to take them to the shop, but granted I repaired them myself, and did extensive preventative maintenance, which contributed to their atypical reliability.

Of course that is anecdotal, and probably more than one generation ago for Land Cruiser, your experience may very well be different with newer Land Cruisers.
Do you see a Commander hitting over 300,000 miles and if more miles are to come you'd be looking at the norm like head gaskets, valve covers and whatever? Or do you feel 300,000 is wishful thinking? The life of a vehicle means the world to me.
HaHaHaHa, you're worried about Valve Covers? Yea, that pretty much cinches it, I don't think a Jeep is for you.

Perhaps if you have a male family member or boyfriend that is capable of something like changing a valve cover gasket for you, then a Jeep might be an option.

The Commander has a Longitudinal Drivetrain arrangement with an American Live Rear Axle and Front Differential based on the same technology. It can easily last 300k miles, but to make it that far you will need to do extensive preventative maintenance and some repairs. If you're the type that takes your vehicle to the dealership to have the oil changed, and also want to keep the vehicle for 300k miles, a Jeep isn't a good choice for you. Most 300k mile satisfied Jeep owners are those that enjoy working on their cars themselves.

I have 120k miles on my Commander now and other than basic preventative maintenance, the only thing I have needed to do is replace a leaking evaporator which cost me $110 (because I did it myself). The OEM brake pads lasted nearly 100k miles. It drives and rides like new still, there is only a slight occasional signs of a little lash in the drivetrain when pre-load is reversed, likely I will change the front differential bushings soon, a fairly easy job. Going over speed bumps I'm starting to get a little extra jounce on the shocks, but new shocks at 120k miles is to be expected.
 

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Do you see a Commander hitting over 300,000 miles and if more miles are to come you'd be looking at the norm like head gaskets, valve covers and whatever? Or do you feel 300,000 is wishful thinking? The life of a vehicle means the world to me.

Considering that Commanders were in production from 2006 to 2010, you won't find many, if any, with 300,000 miles. But ill bet if you start researching the 90's 4.0 Cherokee or the 5.2 GC's, i'm sure you'll find plenty:) .... and they're 1/3 the cost of the top of the line luxury suv being compared to.
 

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I have 275k miles on a '95 Jeep Cherokee 2.5L 4 cylinder.

I think its fair to say, that many Jeeps can easily reach 300k miles if the owners maintains them properly, they will NOT do it without needing repairs and having breakdowns along the way. Which is what I was getting at, if you are capable of repairing your vehicle yourself, at least some of the repairs, it will be cost practical to do so. There are many satisified Jeep Owner's that have 300k miles on their vehicle, but they also were DIY'er with their Jeeps.

No they are NOT inexpensive FWD transaxle vehicles that will suffer enough worn out major components that it would be cost prohibative to keep for 300k miles, no matter how much you perform you're own repairs.

The O.P. is throwing up videos of the brand new 2014 Cherokee, and maybe the latest Grand Cherokee which are based on Fiat Platforms / Technology. The Commander is NOT the same. Even then, it appears those problems are from the German ZF 9spd and 8spd transmissions that Fiat/Chrysler is adopting and there are some initial teething pains. BUT, the 2014 Cherokee and latest Grand Cherokee are different vehicles, along with the Patriot and Compass, I would NOT expect that these would be good choices if you're looking to have a vehicle last 300k miles with minimum repair. And that is part of why the Jeep Die-Hard hate these new Jeeps that have departed so much from Jeep tradition and appear to be slightly improved versions of existing street only platforms, with the Jeep slapped on the front. (Well in the case of the latest Grand Cherokee, a luxury crossover SUV).
 

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I have 275k miles on a '95 Jeep Cherokee 2.5L 4 cylinder.

I think its fair to say, that many Jeeps can easily reach 300k miles if the owners maintains them properly, they will NOT do it without needing repairs and having breakdowns along the way. Which is what I was getting at, if you are capable of repairing your vehicle yourself, at least some of the repairs, it will be cost practical to do so. There are many satisified Jeep Owner's that have 300k miles on their vehicle, but they also were DIY'er with their Jeeps.

No they are NOT inexpensive FWD transaxle vehicles that will suffer enough worn out major components that it would be cost prohibative to keep for 300k miles, no matter how much you perform you're own repairs.

The O.P. is throwing up videos of the brand new 2014 Cherokee, and maybe the latest Grand Cherokee which are based on Fiat Platforms / Technology. The Commander is NOT the same. Even then, it appears those problems are from the German ZF 9spd and 8spd transmissions that Fiat/Chrysler is adopting and there are some initial teething pains. BUT, the 2014 Cherokee and latest Grand Cherokee are different vehicles, along with the Patriot and Compass, I would NOT expect that these would be good choices if you're looking to have a vehicle last 300k miles with minimum repair. And that is part of why the Jeep Die-Hard hate these new Jeeps that have departed so much from Jeep tradition and appear to be slightly improved versions of existing street only platforms, with the Jeep slapped on the front. (Well in the case of the latest Grand Cherokee, a luxury crossover SUV).
I do not think you can go comparing a Commander to 90's model Cherokee or Grand Cherokee ether. The Commander is very very Chrysler-ish while the 90's Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are more Jeep. As we have seen with time Jeep has become less and less Jeep and more less Chrysler and now more Fiat as well. Jeeps are not even suvs anymore and have not been in forever. Using uni body is a big no no and no matter how much Jeep fans argue with this, it's true. Jeeps are nowadays pure Crossovers. Full independent suspension front and rear, plus uni body. As stated uni body has been used by Jeep for years now but like I said it's a big no no and no matter what Jeep loyalists will argue. *I have just stated reasons why Wrangler fans and true Jeep fans hate any Jeep made since the mid 90's.


Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne said;

"Such significant changes to the hot-selling SUV would likely mean leaving its longtime, historic production site in Toledo, Ohio"

In his strongest comments to date about Fiat Chrysler’s future plans for the Wrangler, Marchionnne (CEO) hinted strongly the next-generation version is likely to be fundamentally different from the venerable off-roader available today.

The next Wrangler, due in 2017, has to lose weight and be powered by smaller engines than its current 3.6-liter V-6 engine in order to help Fiat Chrysler meet stricter U.S. fuel economy rules.


http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2014/10/02/jeep-wrangler-aluminum-body/16596337/

http://blog.caranddriver.com/jeep-wrangler-one-step-closer-to-aluminum-production-could-leave-toledo/

This is not due to Jeep, this is Chrysler’sfault for running Jeep into the ground.

The Land Cruiser, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser and Nissan Xterra are the very last with body on frame and solid axle in the rear. These companies are not betraying who they are. There has not been a true Jeep since the mid 90's Grand Cherokee, mid 90's Cherokee and Wrangler. A HEMI does not make it an off road vehicle, 0-60 does not make it an off road vehicle, Trail Rated Badge does not make it off road, Jeep badge on the hood and tailgate does not make it off road.

I really like the Commander and strongly considering it but the Commander is not a real Jeep. The Grand Cherokee hasn't been since the mid 90's nor has the Cherokee as well. To this date I don't understand The Patriot, Liberty, Compass vehicles - Butt a** ugly and worthless. The new Cherokee is hell of ugly and so is the so called Renegade coming out soon.

I want the Commander but will be keeping this all in mind.
 

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I do not think you can go comparing a Commander to 90's model Cherokee or Grand Cherokee ether. The Commander is very very Chrysler-ish while the 90's Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are more Jeep. As we have seen with time Jeep has become less and less Jeep and more less Chrysler and now more Fiat as well. Jeeps are not even suvs anymore and have not been in forever. Using uni body is a big no no and no matter how much Jeep fans argue with this, it's true. Jeeps are nowadays pure Crossovers. Full independent suspension front and rear, plus uni body. As stated uni body has been used by Jeep for years now but like I said it's a big no no and no matter what Jeep loyalists will argue. *I have just stated reasons why Wrangler fans and true Jeep fans hate any Jeep made since the mid 90's.
ROTFLMAO! My '95 Jeep Cherokee has a unibody, a Chrysler axle, Chrysler engine management electronics, Chrysler electronics, an AMC designed engine that was manufactured by Chrysler and an Asin Warner (Japanese) Transmission, the automatic transmission version of this era was a Chrysler transmission.

Jeeps have had unibody's since 1984.

How did Chrysler acquire Jeep? Oh, yea, because AMC went bankrupt.

Fiat own's Chrysler now because they went bankrupt, NOT because of Jeep it was their best selling brand, but because they weren't producing small fuel efficient cars.

Ummm, btw, if you're insisting on comparing apples and oranges, perhaps you should take down the videos of Fiat based Cherokee's having problems with their ZF transmissions.
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne said;
"Such significant changes to the hot-selling SUV would likely mean leaving its longtime, historic production site in Toledo, Ohio"

In his strongest comments to date about Fiat Chrysler’s future plans for the Wrangler, Marchionnne (CEO) hinted strongly the next-generation version is likely to be fundamentally different from the venerable off-roader available today.

The next Wrangler, due in 2017, has to lose weight and be powered by smaller engines than its current 3.6-liter V-6 engine in order to help Fiat Chrysler meet stricter U.S. fuel economy rules.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2014/10/02/jeep-wrangler-aluminum-body/16596337/

http://blog.caranddriver.com/jeep-wrangler-one-step-closer-to-aluminum-production-could-leave-toledo/

This is not due to Jeep, this is Chrysler’sfault for running Jeep into the ground.
Did you miss that very clear statement? "...meet stricter U.S. fuel economy rules..."

Crash, Safety, Fuel Economy, Emission and other Standards mandated by the Federal Government has driven the market. If Chrysler continued to produce Jeep designs of the 1980's they would have gone out of business even earlier.

That's NOT to say Chrysler is perfect, they certainly do deserve some criticism for their management of the Jeep brand, but you also need to recognize the government regulation and markets have driven the fact that all Jeeps offered could NOT continue to be based on 70's/80's technology.

The Land Cruiser, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser and Nissan Xterra are the very last with body on frame and solid axle in the rear. These companies are not betraying who they are. There has not been a true Jeep since the mid 90's Grand Cherokee, mid 90's Cherokee and Wrangler. A HEMI does not make it an off road vehicle, 0-60 does not make it an off road vehicle, Trail Rated Badge does not make it off road, Jeep badge on the hood and tailgate does not make it off road.
ROTLMAO, but contrarain griping makes it a non-Jeep. How about looking at each individual vehicle and its equipment and its performance off-road. You'll find the Commander does just fine, and the better equipped Commanders, like the ones with QDII do better than you'd expect.

I really like the Commander and strongly considering it but the Commander is not a real Jeep. The Grand Cherokee hasn't been since the mid 90's nor has the Cherokee as well. To this date I don't understand The Patriot, Liberty, Compass vehicles - Butt a** ugly and worthless. The new Cherokee is hell of ugly and so is the so called Renegade coming out soon.
Ummmm, you haven't looked at a recent Wrangler Unlimited with a Hardtop? It has everything you say is needed to be a "JEEP". Oh let me guess, you'll find someone that says the CJ was the last real Jeep, so you'll just go with that.

I want the Commander but will be keeping this all in mind.
Or do you just want to bitch and moan?

You're NOT going make an informed choice clouded with all this emotion. If you're unhappy with the direction of Jeep, so be it, make your decision based on the merits of the vehicle. Quite frankly you look like an idiot flip-flopping back and forth saying, "I really want a Commander, but Jeep's are trash, I really want a Commander, but its NOT a real Jeep". Can you keep it together and seperate your emotions from your decision?

I think you've had your answer a page back.
A Commander can last 300k miles, but it will likely take more repair and maintainence cost than Toyota. Make your decision accordingly.
 

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And everyone knows that when you buy a highend vehicle it requires what?? $$$$ maintenance/repair bills! As long as they're on the road and being used, they'll break down. I don't care what you buy and how well you take care of them, parts wear out and need replaced. Us diy'ers have the luxury of keeping the service costs to a minimum. With Jeep, you can do most of the maintenance and repairs yourself, keeping $$ where it belongs. We join discussion forums to recieve and give advice to other diy'ers, and help others understand their issues better to hopefully prevent them from being taken advantage of on the streets. Its a JEEP thing, some will never understand.
 
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