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Hey all I was reading some different oil forums today (motor oil interests me) and came across this and I quote


: Found this on the web, supposedly from an engineer that used to work for fram:
Russell,
I obtained great satisfaction from reading your oil filter survey.
I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
An Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
Have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horses
Mouth, as it were.
I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
Quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
Buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
Capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
Bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
Often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
Properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
Tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
Time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
About $20 Cud was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
Difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
Paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
Of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
From visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
Just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
Contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
Tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
Time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
Of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.
I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
Claims are entirely and completely marketing bull crap.
If people really want to protect their engines, a good oil filter is
Vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
Of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
Will do the job of filtration to perfection."


I have never used a Fram and am glad I didn’t use one. On bob is the oil guy, a guy rated filters by cutting them open and here are the results as follows, #1 Mobil 1 #2 wix or Napa gold same filter, #3 Amsoil, #4 Royal purple, #5 purolator
This was not official results but this guy ranked them based on the guts of the filters, FRAM IS CARDBOARD!! I am a firm believer in Wix and Royal purple but I just bought a Mobil 1 @ oreily tonight for 9.99 on sale M1-204 is the part number for the 4.7 and hemi engines, very nice filter and is heavy I will pair this with Mobil 1 extended performance 5w30 and will change this combo at 7500 miles I recently tried the hps 5w30 from royal purple with one of their filters and I was impressed I put 12,000 on the oil and will change it tomorrow so far the engine performance is the same as any FULL synthetic I have tried, the true test will be the Blackstone engine oil analysis I get done on the RP. I will report back.
Just thought I’d let you know about fram filters although many of you do know this already. Reply on this thread with what oil/ filter combo you run.
 

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Yes, you will read about the poor quality in Fram oil filters on BITOG forum. For the same price, you can buy a Purolator classic filter which does not have cardboard end caps.

However, there is no point in buying a high end filter (Mobil 1, Rp, Amsoil, Bosch Distance +, etc) if you not going to extend your drain interval. That is also the main purpose in synthetics, to extend drain intervals.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Normally when I was changing my own oil I used a FRAM filter and never had any issues with them. THOUSANDS of miles on FRAM filters with no issues at all.

That letter reads like a Snopes submission.
 

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Bob I like your thinking thats why I like to drain synthetic every 7500-10,000 or once a year. venomized lots of people use fram I just want to give an informed oppinion on them.
 

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I compared a Fram to a WIX one day and there is no comparison.. Motors will run with just about any kind of filter but personally I will stay with WIX..

WIX filter
Mobil 1 5-30 Extended performance
I change it every 5K twice a year..
 

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Used Fram for many years until one collapsed and took out a race motor in my GN..I switched to Baldwin's..

Currently use Baldwin B34 and Castrol GTX
 

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Any thoughts on the whole "chrysler engines need certain filters because of a check valve" theory? I have heard of people getting warranties voided because they used an aftermarket filter on a chrysler product. Its crazy but I'm having all sorts of problems with my 07 hemi that I've owned for 3 months and noticed that the ford dealer i bought it from used a generic oil filter. Going to change the oil soon and put a genuine mopar filter on it. Maybe somehow that will stop my stalling issue. :shinner:
 

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Royal Purple or Mobil 1 with K&N oil filter every 10,000
 

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I've used Fram oil filter since I bought my jeep with 24k miles now I have 64k with no issues changing synthetic oil every 6000 miles.
 

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I have used Fram oil filters from time to time on many cars over the last 50 years and never had any problems with it. I really liked the rough finish they put on so it was easier to grab by hand. I see other brands now have that - was that a Fram invention?
 

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I really like the 1" nut on the end of K&N. Its going on and staying on until you take it off with that 1" socket
 

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I see that 1" nut on lots of filters, but very hard to get a socket onto the Commander 5.7 filter, my hand fits in there better.
 

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I never had a problem getting in there with a socket and if you cant get it with your hand its a pain getting a filter wrench around it and having room to turn it. If you noticed my signature I also have a Hemi wink
 

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been using Mopar filters with Pennz. Ultra oil. My Hemi did not like the Pure1 filter I threw on at one point, so I went back to Mopars. Too many horror stories on Frams. Id stay away unless you are using the extra guard. Baldwin, k&N, Mobil 1, Wix are all great filters if you dont like Mopars.
 

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Just got back from a Thanksgiving trip in the mountains and before going, decideded to swap out the Royal purple for Mobile 1 full synthetic with the M1 extended performance filter. Also added 1qt of seafoam to tank. Runs like a beast!
 

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When in Az. We had a company called Yavapai Fleet, all the County, City, etc. bought oil filters , hoses there. They had about 6 filters cut so you could actually see what's inside. It was amazing the difference. Some as Fram had hardly no paper inside. I always go with Wix or Baldwin. I stared buying Wix for my Cummins Diesel truck and my Backhoe . A mechanic friend said those Cummins motors are 10k for a long block, so take care of it!!
So I started using Wix in everything.
A Orielly's here stocks the Wix Filters.
 

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I heard Wix makes the filters for Napa Auto Parts also.
 
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