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This is the chap whom I quote in my signature block. If we feel despondent with Obama, imagine the depths of despair conservatives in Europe labor under.

 

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Nigel is referring to the European Union flag, which consists of a blue field with a central ring of 12 gold stars, not our Old Glory.

 

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Lived in Europe for 10 years (Croatia) - i remember when the Germans were crying and fighting for their Deutsch Mark. I remember when Slovenia joined the EU - prices went through the roof. Croatia is a candidate country in 2012 - no referendum - what government wants - government dose. Love the comparison of the EU members as communists. That's all the EU is - if the EU has its way they will bring all the ex-Yugoslavia countries into the EU and have another mini Yugoslavia. We all know what happened with the first one.... The more countries you have in the EU the worse off the first countries are. Why the hell would anyone want Poland to join the EU!? It's like a billionaire letting homeless people stay at his house. You can't keep dishing out cash more then your making it. Not to mention the horrible boarder protection with Russia. The Russian mob is now nicely linked directly with Germany. I hope the EU fails and is abolished.
 

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Lived in Europe for 10 years (Croatia) - i remember when the Germans were crying and fighting for their Deutsch Mark. I remember when Slovenia joined the EU - prices went through the roof. Croatia is a candidate country in 2012 - no referendum - what government wants - government dose. Love the comparison of the EU members as communists. That's all the EU is - if the EU has its way they will bring all the ex-Yugoslavia countries into the EU and have another mini Yugoslavia. We all know what happened with the first one.... The more countries you have in the EU the worse off the first countries are. Why the hell would anyone want Poland to join the EU!? It's like a billionaire letting homeless people stay at his house. You can't keep dishing out cash more then your making it. Not to mention the horrible boarder protection with Russia. The Russian mob is now nicely linked directly with Germany. I hope the EU fails and is abolished.
The U.S. keeps on doing it and it is about to ruin us.
 

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One thing the US has over EU - workers. We are a hard working nation. Vacation? Americans take the least amount of vacation time in the world. Europeans get 4 weeks paid, not to mention all the holidays they get off. When I worked for Motorola I'd get the US and Croatian holidays off. That was like adding in another week in the year. US will always pull itself out of a hole - it's cyclical - in europe the EU wants to bring in failing countries and then have to bail them out. thats just ridiculous, but for them it means power and rapping of the new member countries.
 

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One thing the US has over EU - workers. We are a hard working nation. Vacation? Americans take the least amount of vacation time in the world. Europeans get 4 weeks paid, not to mention all the holidays they get off. When I worked for Motorola I'd get the US and Croatian holidays off. That was like adding in another week in the year. US will always pull itself out of a hole - it's cyclical - in europe the EU wants to bring in failing countries and then have to bail them out. thats just ridiculous, but for them it means power and rapping of the new member countries.
The US will NOT get out of the hole we are in now unless we vote the idiots in DC out who keep wanting to spend, spend , spend. Gov't has to be limited to not spending more than it is taking in. There is too much frivolous spending going on and the national debt is too high and keeps on growing daily.
 

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Agreed completely, spending is not the solution. It's never worked before, for anyone. If you look at the US as a household budget you'd be in bankruptcy three times over. What do you do when your income is slashed....you cut spending. It hurts for a while but those little cuts here and their make up for it in the long run. We need people in DC now with strong economic backgrounds, be it DEM or REP, the US needs to be run like a company for a few years.
 

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Lived in Europe for 10 years (Croatia) - i remember when the Germans were crying and fighting for their Deutsch Mark. I remember when Slovenia joined the EU - prices went through the roof. Croatia is a candidate country in 2012 - no referendum - what government wants - government dose. Love the comparison of the EU members as communists. That's all the EU is - if the EU has its way they will bring all the ex-Yugoslavia countries into the EU and have another mini Yugoslavia. We all know what happened with the first one.... The more countries you have in the EU the worse off the first countries are. Why the hell would anyone want Poland to join the EU!? It's like a billionaire letting homeless people stay at his house. You can't keep dishing out cash more then your making it. Not to mention the horrible boarder protection with Russia. The Russian mob is now nicely linked directly with Germany. I hope the EU fails and is abolished.
I take offense.

First off, Poland is already an EU member. Perhaps you are confused with the fact that they are not yet part of the Euro monetary system and still use their own currency.

Second, I can't imagine why you picked Poland for your billionaire analogy. Greece, Portugal, and Ireland are the first countries way ahead of Poland who have their hands in the central bank scooping up economic rescue money. This subject is fact and extremely current.

Be careful before you start lashing out without full info to back it up. No country is perfect nor its people. Also, not all former Warsaw-pact nations were treated equally by Moscow (the former Yugoslavia having the most liberties and best quality of life of all satellite nations). Perhaps your view of the Poles is skewed due to modern history.

As to some of your other comments, I agree. The EU is reminiscent of a kind of communist state. However, many European countries have had a long history of socialist governments pre-EU, so I'm not sure how much compiling everything into 1 EU basket really changes much. The EU central bank is in Germany and the Euro is based on the Deutsche Mark. I remember the Germans protesting, but they didn't lose by accepting the Euro as their currency. They are losing due to spending! And inflation in Slovenia after the integration of the Euro is not unique. Many nations have undergone this shock which is due to merging each country's economic base into 1 central system. It needs to level out somewhere. But that kind of change is never easy, especially for those who have to pay the bills everyday and don't have the luxury of a printing press in their homes.

Personally, I've been back and forth on the subject of the value of an EU. It seems to me that in the global marketplace, individual European nations would not be competitive against the rising economies of China and India, much less the [floundering] US. In theory, an EU should benefit its members. Only time will tell how history will be written.


Regardless, Jeep crosses all boundaries (literally!), and I wish all the best to my extended Jeep family.



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UKIP Nigel Farage 2011 in Germany anti EU - pro Democracy - Part 1 of 3

 

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Nigel Farage 2011 in Germany anti EU - pro Democracy - Part 2 of 3

 

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Nigel Farage 2011 in Germany anti EU - pro Democracy - Part 3 of 3

 

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Lived in Europe for 10 years (Croatia) - i remember when the Germans were crying and fighting for their Deutsch Mark. I remember when Slovenia joined the EU - prices went through the roof. Croatia is a candidate country in 2012 - no referendum - what government wants - government dose. Love the comparison of the EU members as communists. That's all the EU is - if the EU has its way they will bring all the ex-Yugoslavia countries into the EU and have another mini Yugoslavia. We all know what happened with the first one.... The more countries you have in the EU the worse off the first countries are. Why the hell would anyone want Poland to join the EU!? It's like a billionaire letting homeless people stay at his house. You can't keep dishing out cash more then your making it. Not to mention the horrible boarder protection with Russia. The Russian mob is now nicely linked directly with Germany. I hope the EU fails and is abolished.
очень интересно читать взгляд со стороны и видеть как не дооценивают матушку Россию))))
вы думаете у вас там все не просто, вы ошибаетесь, вот такие люди правят у нас
 
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